Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Specializing in Modern Numismatics 300,000 items to help build your collection! Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

To Be Or Not To Be? - Coin?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 4,339Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar of the Community
arianzo's Avatar
Canada
2124 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  12:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The Mint of Poland has just released the Silver Cylinder Shape Glided Coin $50 FORTUNA REDUX 3D Mercury 2013 Proof, Niue - 6 oz (the first in the world)

It's beautiful, astonishing but ..... is that a coin?
Is there a limit when something is not more a coin?


Check:

http://firstcoincompany.com/S/silve...in-the-world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwY4FocgCzU



To-Be-Or-Not-To-Be?---Coin?
Pillar of the Community
zxcccxz's Avatar
Canada
5417 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not really a coin. Not to be.
Bedrock of the Community
Joseph7420's Avatar
Canada
11922 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think this would classify as a coin... unless it's spendable. I would consider this more of a decorative numismatic artifact
Pillar of the Community
arianzo's Avatar
Canada
2124 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's legal tender.
Moderator
Learn More...
Sap's Avatar
Australia
16826 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The answer to your question entirely depends on your definition of "coin".

If you accept "Coin" to be: "an object issued by a government and allocated a legal tender value in the currency of that government", then yes - it is a coin. So are the pyramid-coins of the Isle of Man, the geometric-solid-shaped coins of... I can't remember which country, and the acrylic coins of Congo.

If you change the definition to coins needing to be more or less round and more or less flat, or needing to be in a form that could be conveniently circulated as money if people chose to do so then no, this doesn't fit.

Is Niue a legitimate, coin-issuing government? The answer to that question seems to be "yes". Niue is a dependency of New Zealand, but New Zealand grants its three dependencies (the others being Cook Islands and Tokelau) considerable autonomy, including the right to issue their own coinages.

Of course, one thing that ought to be further investigated is whether or not the government of Niue actually authorized the issue of these particular coins. Rogue foreign mints have in the past issued "coins" which were never authorized by the government named on them, so therefore were never truly "coins". For this purpose they usually choose small, isolated, hard-to-verify countries (like Nauru and Niue) or countries in the middle of a civil war or otherwise with no functional recognized government (like Somalia).
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
Pillar of the Community
nalaberong's Avatar
Canada
2805 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The geometric-shape tokens were denominated in Somali dollars - a bit of a tip-off, because the country's currency is the shilling.

There is a new federal government, though, so I wonder if they'll start bringing on the lawsuits that are so richly deserved...
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
BStrauss3's Avatar
United States
4591 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I tend to draw the line at NCLT where the LT part is in somebody else's LT...
-----Burton
50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973)
Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA
Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club
Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983)

Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
Valued Member
mailman28's Avatar
United States
416 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mailman28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a 6oz chunk of metal...coin no
Pillar of the Community
United States
1186 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd love to see someone carrying a few of these in their pocket.
Pillar of the Community
noahs-numismatics's Avatar
Canada
3167 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I'd love to see someone carrying a few of these in their pocket.


Why? Nobody carries NCLT in their pocket as a habit

Here is an older thread with some really nice pictures:

https://goccf.com/t/150160
Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
5172 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's funny that they apparently copied the picture from the Mercury dime, which isn't even an actual rendition of Mercury.
(EDIT: looking carefully, they didn't - their version doesn't have the Phrygian cap, and, while it might be just my imagination, the face looks a little bit male-r. But I still somewhat doubt that this is actually enough of a difference to justify that the image on this coin is, in fact, "Mercury" rather than a misnamed and misplaced Liberty.)
Edited by january1may
11/14/2013 12:48 pm
Pillar of the Community
CoinDan98's Avatar
United States
1053 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinDan98 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that is weird why would they do that?
Pillar of the Community
westcoin's Avatar
United States
9792 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2013  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only different in shape - it isn't unlike the YAP coins made from tons of stone. I like it beautiful I would use it as a paperweight on my desk, and as a conversation piece. Very cool!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013!
ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector.

See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Bedrock of the Community
Conder101's Avatar
United States
17884 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2013  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My definition of "coin" requires it to be intended to circulate as money. This piece was never intended to circulate so to me it is not a coin.
Pillar of the Community
Demarco Bishopp's Avatar
United Kingdom
548 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2013  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To qualify as a coin it must be technically legal tender, so bullion can qualify, even though it's not meant to circulate as money.

Additionally, I would argue that what allows us to identify a coin as a coin is generally its size, shape and material. Strictly in terms of appearance, the "ideal" coin is a small metal disc.

A metal cylinder does not qualify as a coin in my view. It's simply too far removed from what I consider to be the "ideal" shape.

There you go. I can out-think and out-philosophise the lot of you.
Edited by Demarco Bishopp
11/15/2013 2:10 pm
Pillar of the Community
arianzo's Avatar
Canada
2124 Posts
 Posted 12/12/2013  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting answers.

I think we're going to the extreme every new release.

Check it out this one: http://firstcoincompany.com/S/solom...medium=email

Solomon Islands Nefertiti 3D Sculptures of Art Egypt Queen 3 oz $25 Silver coin 2013

The first coin in a brand new Series of "Sculptures of Art"

âœ" World Premiere - the first coin in a new Series of "Sculptures of Art"
âœ" Sensation - the first 3D sculpture coin in the world!
âœ" Only 1000 Pieces Worldwide!

I think the problem is that the Mints are taking advantage of his power and as they give their items face value and legal tender status, so they could produce even a car (with a face value of course) and call it a coin!



To-Be-Or-Not-To-Be?---Coin?
  Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 4,339Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.36 seconds to rattle this change. Forums