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1921 S Morgan...die Crack Or Scratch?

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 Posted 11/14/2013  6:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add allcoinsnewbie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone,

What is your opinion on reverse?

Thanks in advance

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 Posted 11/14/2013  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die crack would be raised, a scratch would not be.
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 Posted 11/14/2013  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't tell from your pics.
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Looks like a die crack, but we need much larger photos to be able to tell for sure.
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 Posted 11/15/2013  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
62 likely a scratch.
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Hope these help. Still in practice mode with pictures.



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I suspect neither one. I'm thinking lamination.
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Yep more I look at it, there is no known die crack like that I've ever seen on a 1921 Morgan, there should be a bunch of them if it were an actual die crack. The fact it doesn't go through or over the letters and into the rim, makes me think it's not a scratch. So lamination is next most likely culprit, still a really neat find and worth a premium to an error collector I would think.

The coin looks like an AU grade don't clean it for sure, the color is quite natural as is. A cleaning will only hurt the value. How much extra? I don't know, but it could be double to quadruple the value of a non lamination coin.
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 Posted 11/16/2013  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allcoinsnewbie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. How can I thank you enough. I study Morgan's daily. Still know next to nothing. But, I do know not to ever, ever, ever clean a coin. Learned that here.

I'm excited. Thanks again
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The darkness of the line makes me think it is surface debris, there are nonlinear areas of darkness below the line as well.
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biokemist, never thought of that, give this Morgan a good bath in acetone for awhile, see if it comes off, the acetone won't hurt the coin nor change any coloring of the toning. It will remove surface scum and debris quite nicely.
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I gave it the acetone bath. Here are after pictures.

Do you still think it's lamination?



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I'm still left thinking it's something postmint. I don't really see enough vertical dimensionality to consider a lamination.
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how long was your acetone bath?
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