1853 Em 5 Kopeks Russia. Real Or Fake?

Real

What makes you think fake

yours

michael

This type is pretty scarce, which is why you mostly see copies or the silver type for 1853 instead. However, your coins looks just fine. Nothing fake about it.

Thanks
Why I'm asking is because I will auction out some of my Russian coins, so I'm looking into prices and such... But this one was hard to find info on.
I only know that is harder than the BM series of the same type, which has an mintage low as 16.000 on the 1852.

An 1851BM did go on ebay for almost 400 in not that great of condition, 400 is the "catalog price" in VF (20-35 in a scale of 70), link to ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/elf-Russia-...047675.l2557
So can it be a bit overpriced compared to catalog value just because they are scarce?

To make my question short, what do you think it can bring in?

No way it does anywhere near $800.

It's wrong to compare two types with completely different mintage figures and hope for any accuracy in price estimate, regardless of "catalog" value (especially Krause).

The coin in the ebay auction has a ridiculously low mintage of 24k, while your coin has nearly 1.5 million.

Also, some past prices that may relate:

1854 EM, with much lower mintage than the 1853, sold at major auction for $500 and the coin was near mint state without issues.

1853 EM, a little more worn than yours sold by major dealer in Europe for $100 euros (about $130). Now this was a dealer price which is higher than an auction estimate would be.

1853 BM, with mintage of only 40k, sold on German ebay earlier this year by dealer. Condition slightly better than your coin without damage, final bid at euro equivalent of $220.

Other dates from this same type with higher mintage than your coin (1851, 52,56,57) in problem free mint state have done close to and even upwards of $1,000 at major European auctions.

I'm not going to venture a guess at how much your coin will sell for, but the 1853BM mentioned above is considered more valuable.

Just a comment on your question about Krause: they miss-gauge the price on many things. So many that if their prices on the above were that close to reality, it was probably an accident.

I have looked at their catalog but only use it for mintage information and KM number.

Nice coin, by the way.

dei gratia regina: Your right, I took a closer look and realized that I was referring from the wrong catalog!
The prices I posted is from a Russian catalog called "Kohpoc - Mohetbi poccnn" from conros.ru
Krause have the same numbers as NGC´s online database on this series (both BM and EM), which is not very accurate :)

Thanks!

Westwood Arms: That's pretty much everything I know too, hopefully an Russian collector finds this thread and gives some insight...

This one: http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-17...-prohod.html

Sold for equivalent of $100.

Same company resold the same exact coin a month later: http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-17...-prohod.html

This time for equivalent of $650.

Something is obviously fishy with that one, so let's consider this:

The one that seems most similar to your coin, based on details and damage, is probably this one: http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-17...-prohod.html

It sold for equivalent at the time of a little under $300.

Now your coin is probably a little better overall, but keep in mind these are prices from auctions exclusively within Russia. It's like the difference between selling a rare Swedish coin at an auction in Sweden versus selling it at an auction that is exclusively in some non-European country, the prices will be very different.

If you get $800 for the coin then I am very happy for you, but do not be upset if it sells for much less.