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PCGS Submittal - Send 'Em In As Crossover Or Raw?

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Some of you know that I assembling a PCGS "variety" 7070 Type collection. Some of you know that some of the best coins are not always in PCGS slabs, which I have learned the hard way. When I can, I acquire PCGS coins, but there are a few that were not purchased that way (NGC, ANACS, PCI, etc...).

My question, and pardon me if this has been posed before, should I send in "other" slabs for PCGS certification or crack and send 'em raw? The reason that I am asking is that there are additional fees involved with sending in "other" slabs based on the value of the coin;

"Guarantee Premium (1% of PCGS Price Guide value or declared value). Applies to Rarities, Crossovers and Reconsiderations. The minimum amount for the Guarantee Premium is $5. PCGS reserves the right to make the final determination of the coin's value."

I realize that you can request a minimum grade on crossovers and if that grade is not obtained then PCGS will not crack the holder and return it intact.

I am almost certain that they would be graded "problem free" as they are residing in the "other" slabs.

What do you think? Send 'em in raw or as a crossover?

Thank you for your interest!
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Depends on the coin for me. If theyre just over a large value jump where a grade down would really hurt I would cross those, otherwise I lean towards raw with the added cross over fee.
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There are three that have no value listed on PCGS Trends, so they could technically come up with whatever value they wanted, but I doubt seriously that they would use non-variety values.

1860 1C Pointed Bust (at least) MS60 RAW (no brainer on submitting raw)

1865 2C AU53 ANACS (Yellow Label) FS-1301

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/D...8259?redir=t

1869 5C MS62 (PCI) FS-1305 (005.6) (hope to get at least MS60)

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/38364

1892 50C AU53 NGC TDO FS-801

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/145290
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Does PCGS even attribute these?
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Crossover.
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If they are NGC, I would crossover them. I f they were Snags, I would make sure they were problem free coins with good eye appeal and cross them
If they are in any other holder, crack them and submit raw. Everything that I have bought not in a Pcgs or NGC holder, I have cracked out.
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Does PCGS even attribute these?


Yes. Give me a little credit in researching this.


I just did the on-line submittal forms for both raw and crossover; it pretty comes down to dollars (no sense), with the same options; attribution and tru-view imaging, raw trumps crossover by $60 (for three holdered coins, not including the 1860 IHC).

Thank you for the comments/suggestions, but it makes better financial sense to send them in "raw".
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Yes. Give me a little credit in researching this.




I forgot they did FS numbers, but knew they didn't do 2C's and Nickels.
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oih82w8 I know I've posted this earlier this week, you might want to check out some of Michael's earlier blog postings on his experience with crossovers, I found it quite entertaining and informative reading. You can find his blog here: http://news.coinupdate.com/author/michaelbugeja/
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Thanks Wes, I will look into that link.


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...but knew they didn't do 2C's and Nickels.


I put the PCGS CoinFacts hyperlinks for those particular varieties in the third post.
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Pretty sure PCGS only crosses over NGC and ANACS, for everything else they WILL crack it out and treat it as raw. It's in their submission form.
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BStrauss3, according to the articles (more specifically below) that westcoin supplied the link for, PCGS DOES crossover PCI, ICG and ACG holdered coins;

http://news.coinupdate.com/crossove...pected-2026/

I am still feeling confident about submitting raw though.
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I would agree with the raw path since it doesn't sound like you're worried if they drop a grade or two and already have a raw one.

On the plus side they're working pretty fast for classic coins right now.
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oih82w8, yup, you r right was thinking of NGC (http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...rticle=1335)
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I dont understand why NGC did that unless they were just really bad with cross overs. PCGS has it right, it only helps them getting the best coins into their holders.
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