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Sony A7r First Impressions For Macro

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Despite being told my new camera wouldn't be delivered till January it actually arrived today. After plugging the camera in for a three hour first charge( A separate charger is likely to be the next purchase) I sat down and read the instruction book that came with the camera. It didn't take too long. I suspect the online manual will have all the info I really need. Straight up I can say the camera is not for the beginner. It has the obvious buttons but also a number of programmable buttons.....which will be most useful as I am going to be predominantly using old manual lenses. NOw for macro I anticipate the camera has the ability to produce sharp coin pictures as the cameras design has been to maximise resolution. The challenge for me will be to learn how to get the most out of the camera. For a very rough quick try. I put a Minolta MD 50mm macro lens on the A7r with the 1:1 adapter that came with the lens(effectively a customized extension ring). I used a Novoflex MD-NEX adapter. I hadn't set up my cell phone to operate the shutter so I set the shutter to a 10 second delay. Heres the first effort: rough and ready lighting. From this first shot I can see the learning curve is going to be steep. ( its a great first go and given that I didn't put much effort into it this camera can probably do heaps more)

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BTW the MD 50mm macro lens is a real winner!
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can't wait to see more.
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While waiting for some coin shots to up load I thought I would post some learning points. Today I have been taking outside photos and learning what the camera can do. First off I tried out my sigma 105mm macro and had an interesting experiences. To use the Sigma lens I had to fit the LA EA 4 adapter. this adapter takes the camera to an equivalent Af camera to my sony A 65. Effectively all I was doing was putting the translucent mirror box back onto the camera. Supposedly when you switch a Af lens to manual the camera should automatically switch to manual focus disabling the screw drive for the AF. That doesn't happen with my EX sigma 105; the switch on the lens operates by moving the end of the lens from Af to MF. When I set the lens to MF the camera remained in AF mode( dangerous as it can damage the lens' AF mechanism). I am pretty sure there is a way to switch the camera to Full manual mode(ie: disable the auto focus) so I will be hunting through the online manual to find out how.
As I had been using manual lenses most of the day. I forgot to set the aperture, so the picture I took with the lens were wide open with a significant loss of DOF. However the areas of the coin that were in focus were brilliant!!.

I then tried the Minolta 25-70 zoom with Macro focus. I gained some impressive photos from this lens using an extension tube with my A 65. Problem is Sony warns against using extension tubes with the required adapter.....the result... that lens isn't good enough woth out an extension ring. So I switched to my Novoflex adapter and put on a Minolta MD(manual focus)35-70mm zoom with macro. It works but you can't get the coin image to fill the field of the sensor. So I attached the 1-1 adapter from the MD 50mm macro and tried the zoom lens with that and it performed brillaintly. From my experiences so far...I can say the Minolta Rokkor 50mm macro is going to be the most used lens. Sony won't be adding a FF e mount Macro lens to their stable for at least a year and when they do it won't be cheap. The Minolta MD 50mm macro cost me US$70.00 in Europe dealers are selling it for €150 - €300.00


Edit 3 hours later and finally the first picture has finished uploading to Photobucket( I didn't reduce its size!)


Sigma 105 mm at 2.8( should have been at 8)
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A few quick comments.
Excellent sharpness to the image.

The biggest "fly in the ointment" will be lighting.
Just when you think you have it down pat you'll switch to a copper coin and things won't be quite the same.
And don't even try proofs or proof-like coins for a while; they are really a whole different category in imaging.

I suggest a black or dark gray non-reflective background.
You want the light the camera collects to come from the coin as much as possible.

Also get your light source high -- up in the 70-80° range; but not so vertical that you can see the source reflected in the coin.
That will mean you'll have to fiddle with your exposure settings compared to what you are currently using.

And hopefully you have a "white balance" option on your camera; read that part of your manual carefully.
The idea is capture an image that looks VERY close to the real coin.
The less photo editing you do the better your final result will be.

And practice, practice, practice.
It took me 2 years to get reasonably happy with my results.
But of course surprises still jump up and bite me.
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Finally I managed to upload to photo bucket one of the other pictures I had taken. It was shot using the Rokkor(minolta) 35-70 mm zoom (with Macro) which I mounted on the 1-1 adapter that comes with the Minolta MD 50mm macro.

I finally worked out how to use some of the manual focus assistance features: Focus peaking, which I was already using; when this function is on, the areas of highest contrast are highlighted. The function I next found is most useful...it is a magnification feature....by pushing a button a small rectangle is shown in the view finder...you move it to where you want the focus to be. Confirm by operating the cameras "enter" button and that area is then magnified so that you can adjust the focus. Here's the shot...I am going to have to up the lighting but this shot really shows what the camera can do with a US$50.00 - $60 lens (Note the lens in question was also badged by Leica)

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I am becoming my familiar with this camera and my available lenses. I have developed a preference for the MD 50mm lens. The main reason for this is that I don't have to use the Alpha to e mount adapter. I had purchased the LA-EA4 Adapter. That adapter adds in the translucent mirror( with some loss of light) and enables auto focusing. With Macro Auto focus is unnecessary and the light loss is annoying. So using a 50mm manual lens makes life easier. Here is the latest try using the 50mm MD lens mounted on the 1-1 adapter that came with the lens. First shot is the picture "out-of-the-Camera" with just the background removed. I had to reduce the picture by 50 % to get it to upload to Photobucket. The second shot is a 100% crop of the center of the coin.

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An up date: on my A65 I loved using the sigma EX 105mm macro but on the A7r its annoying. I have to keep setting the camera to manual focus (Switching the lens to manual focus does not disconnect the screw drive). By switching to manual focus I don't mean just the main control but also a secondary control. Clearly this is a case of too many whistles and bells. The Af would be fine but it really hunts ( if it works) on the A7r. I suspect the old 105mm I am using has communication problems with the camera(an issue it is known to have with the sony A99).
I am looking for a new 100 mm(or longer if its usable) macro. So far the gem has been, as already commented on, the Minolta MD 50mm macro. It only goes 1-1 with the custom extension tube that comes with it but its simple to use and produces very sold results with absolutely no distortion. I understand Sony will be bringing out a macro lens for the A7r. That said that new sony lens will be a g lens probably with image stabilization( something else to turn off) so it will have a price that matches the cost of the camera. I suppose I could try the Minolta MD 100mm macro (but it would have to be light years ahead of the 50mm to be worthwhile) or its AF counterpart.
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New up date. I now have an idea why the Sigma 105mm lens was not performing. To use that lens I have to fit a LA-EA4 adapter. That adapter includes a tripod mounting point. I had been using that point to fix the camera and lens to the copy stand. I have subsequently heard that with larger lenses, mounting the camera on a tripod via either the adapter mount, or lens mount shutter shake becomes a huge problem. the light weight of the camera body being part of the problem. I had purchased a vertical grip adapter with the camera. That grip was as ugly as sin and made the camera a little more bulky than I liked. However I was having real problems getting steady shots both macro and every day shots. So I installed the grip and suddenly the field shots have improved and the macro shots with the Sigma have also become much better. The extra weight is settling the camera down.
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New learning point.



Finally I got the app onto my smart phone, which as a result, now acts as a remote shutter release. Its taken me a couple of weeks to work out how to do it...the biggest problem was memory space on the smart phone. I had to be brutal and delete some other apps. Prior to this I was using a 10 second delayed shutter release a bit of a pain when you want to take a series of photos. So now I can tether this camera to my smart phone....next part of the learning curve tethering to my lap top.
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Your comments about unsteadiness and vibration are worrying me. I was under the impression this camera had EFSC capability, which eliminates shutter shake as a source of vibration. Does the A7R have EFSC functionality? I am assuming since you're having issues with vibration that you are not using EFSC, correct?
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Anecdotal: I had zero problems with a Canon XSi/100mm Macro combination, attached via the camera's screw mount. That setup considerably outweighs yours - the camera 65g heavier and the lens 150g heavier. So, I'm thinking in your case the camera mount might be a viable option.

Edit: I've seen it mentioned online that only the A7 has EFSC; not the A7R. I've no idea whatsoever why they did it that way.
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Oh. I was under the impression both had EFSC. So they put EFSC on the A7, which has fewer MP sensor and AA filter, and the A7R with high MP sensor and no AA filter doesn't have EFSC. Wow. Hate to say it but that's a deal breaker for me...

austrokiwi...when I was shooting Nikon, I had to resort to long, delayed exposures to eliminate shutter shake, though the more "normal" method is to use delayed flash. Likely you will need to do one or the other if you can't tame vibrations with stiffness or mass loading methods.
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Oh. I was under the impression both had EFSC. So they put EFSC on the A7, which has fewer MP sensor and AA filter, and the A7R with high MP sensor and no AA filter doesn't have EFSC. Wow. Hate to say it but that's a deal breaker for me...


That's contrary to what we'd originally thought and heard, as well. It makes no sense that they'd configure them that way; the A7 is the "do it for me" model, while the A7R is the "overclocker's" model.
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Just saw some of the comments. the shaking that was reported was noticeable with long lenses to which a tripod was mounted ( instead of to the camera). The camera is feather light and the shutter was causing considerable shaking. Adding some weight to the camera solves the problem. I have noticed with all my non macro shots the picture quality has gone up by using the grip. seems the extra weight is helping me hold the camera steadier. As for EFSC I thought it did but checking no it doesn't. Clearly the shutter shake is only an issue with longer lenses and is most problematic when it is not the camera but rather the lens that is mounted to the copy stand, or tripod.
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Roommate decided to pick one up and it arrived last week. Now he's waiting on the adapter to use the Canon lenses, can't wait to try this one out and compare it with the 5D mkII and mk III ( all of those cameras are now in the house along with the 7D now). This sensor looks like a real winner!
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Did he get the A7 or A7R? And I'm guessing he's OK with the trans-brand cost of missing electronic function?
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