1921-P Morgan Dot Coin?

Mt brevity sometimes misses the mark. Let me expound. I suspect the "dot" is in the hub, as 7tf points out. I think the attribution is in the scribbles, as has been pointed out. That would be the way to go for me.

Well guys... I think I may have found another dot on a berry. This is from a 1921-D Morgan and is on the left side of the wreath. Your thoughts on this one, please.

I wouldn't be so interested in this if it weren't for the hundreds of 1921's I've been through without seeing it. And don't forget, not one 1921-P plate coin at VAMworld has this dot. Hub? Perhaps, as long as the hub only managed to transfer the feature to one die in a hundred.

Listable? No. I've already said that.

Sorry, man, I'm not making it down to Florida this year.

For me, this whole dot thing isn't so much about finding a "new" variety as it is exploring what seems to be an odd avenue of development. As you prove, these dots can be found in varying years of issue, and they can't be anything but deliberate. I'm kind of comfortable with the "hardness test" theory, and the location inside a berry meets an intuitive standard for hiding the test and not marring the appearance of the coin.

And such testing would likely be selective and random; otherwise we'd be seeing these dots on most coins, especially the PL/DMPL early strikes from the dies.

So it's more of an intellectual pursuit towards that probably-unattainable end of categorizing all the die pairs. Maybe observing provably-identical dots on differing VAMs gives us hub-specific (rather than die-specific) pickups which could then be used to prove that a "new" coin is not already an existing VAM but a new die pairing.

And what's up with 1921 all of a sudden dropping them wherever they feel like, including the "right" location?

If you're not getting lost in the details, you're just plain getting lost.

As deep as the dot is, it's still probably not "deep" in the device by comparison to the breast, talons or large wreath leaves which are the first things to fall in a weak strike. Therefore, I'm not expecting the dot to fail to appear due to strike, but won't discount the idea of the shoulders eroding fairly quickly over the life of the die. That's why I'm looking to early strikes providing the best evidence, hence PL/DMPL examples when they're available.

Amnight's coin - from the talons' evidence - is a pretty strong strike for a 1921, but all the same the dot is so sharply-defined as to hint that even weak strikes will show it.

It isn't, really. The reasoning behind them is very likely so mundane as to bore the average collector to tears. But we don't know yet, darnit!

I plainly admit I'm just totally geeking out about them in the absence of any realistic reason.

Bumpage. I have this coin in-hand, and it's going to be a "fun" (deliberately in quotes) piece of work. There are no real scribbles to play with; I'll have to do some really creative stuff with lighting to bring out what there is. All the cracks are EDS, even though that obverse one at the bottom of the neck is pretty distinctive. The dot on the berry is nearly naked-eye distinctive - you can easily see it in these relatively-small images - prominent enough that I'd easily see similar on any other 1921 I examined. I see at least one and probably two on the other side of the wreath.

Gonna have some with this one.

I just went through all of the scribbling scratches and could not match it up. With the amount of 1921-P coins that were made I would not be surprised if this is a new variety.