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 Posted 06/28/2007  11:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My brother took pics of this and posted them weeks ago. Now that the coin is my possession, I figured I'd try my cam. I think these are pretty good. It has a little oxidation, not sure if I'm brave enough to try and rinse it off with some lab grade reagent water and possibly acetone (all lab grade of course, I'm a chemist). Opinions on grade and if should just leave it alone? I am going to send it to PCGS for grading.

These are unaltered pics from my dig cam in JPG mode.

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 Posted 06/29/2007  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin. However, I'm afraid it might come back in a body bag as damaged, maybe PVC and/or cleaned. I might try ANACS, at least you'll get a grade and more important with this coin an authenication. Just IMHO, of course.
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Wait 'til Metalman sees this.

Brad, unless someone comes in and calls it a counterfeit, this coin needs to go to NCS/NGC very badly. If NCS can get it nice enough to grade, it's a 4-figure coin. Even in an NCS slab, it's probably worth close to $1000. Beyond what looks like plasticizer damage, the coin is in tremendous condition and if the damage is still confined to the surface it's a vary valuable coin.

And, Brad, for the future? Bring 'em down to 800px or so, or get more uplink bandwidth.
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 Posted 06/29/2007  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A little more manageable....

1909-S-VDB
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and if the damage is still confined to the surface it's a vary valuable coin

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 Posted 06/29/2007  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree that it would be worth it to send to NCS for authentication and conservation.
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 Posted 06/29/2007  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input, NCS it will be.

Sorry for the large pics, I wanted to be sure I didn't lose any detail or change the coins appearance in any way. I figured that was the best way for everyone to get a good look at the quality of the coin.

If NCS can get it restored, I think will grade at least XF45 based on all the coins I compared it to on HA.com. It's better than all the XF40's and right with most of the XF45's I looked at.

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 Posted 06/30/2007  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Badthad

If it helps any the coin appears authentic to me ,, it has one of the unique obverses displaying a die gouge in the lower loop of the B of Liberty , the Mint mark appears correct although slightly blury I can see the split in the upper seriff ,,I cannot however make out if there is a die chip in the upper loop of the S both will be present on a genuine coin .

these markers go along way toward authentication of the coin ,they however are not conclusive,,but make sending it in alot less risky for having it returned as a counterfeit.

Although the coin I think techniquely grades at EF-40 or 45 the damage on the reverse in the form of a smooth scratch which runs from the T in cent to the rim at about 10 oclock will likely hit the coin for at least two points ,,starting at EF-45 that would bring the coin to VF-35 as a net grade.


I believe the coin will respond well to conservation ,,the color may change slightly ,,But will remain a great coin !!

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Thanks metalman, I appreciate the comments. While I'm sure the coin is authentic, as my Grandfather was a serious collector, I can't seem to find any info for authentication (such as you described) on the web. Do you know of any websites that summarize that type of info on this coin?

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I have not searched online for a website or page with the info for authenticating coins.

all of the info is available in publications ,books, and other sources,, I use PCGS grading and Counterfeit Detection more than the others but I also use Breens encyclopedia of world coins as well as articles published in the coin mags from time to time .

Here are a couple of other books that are available .

Counterfeit Detection Reference Guide
Bill Fivaz



Official Guide to Detecting Altered & Counterfeit U.S. Coins & Currency
Marc Hudgeons

I will have to look around on the net and see if I can find a good website for Counterfeit Detection .

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