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I have been wondering about these cents that have this red color to them. I have seen them a lot all with the same exact color. I have tried to look them up but didnt find much and gave up pretty quik. I feel like there is something going on with these red cents with the annealing or washes because I know red colors have been described as being a sign of sintering error or annealing error or a wash or something. has anyone seen any threads or info on these that didnt end in two posts saying looks like corrosion has anyone put thought any thought to this or is there anyone else out there collecting these cause they know they are some kind of process error? I know these are not painted because nothing removes the red color whats so ever. corrosion maybe but I dont see it that way I'm pretty sure it a process error of some kind. What do you guys think?

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 Posted 12/20/2013  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only coins I have found with similar coloring are Copper Lincolns and Nickels I dug up metal detecting. The soil in Mississippi where I live is highly mineralized. Not sure if this is your case...but maybe.
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that would not make any cents with the reverse looking the way it does

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I have other cents that have this red color on both sides. Think about it have you ever seen you copper pipes corrode with a red color probably not! Does copper ever corrode much at all not much? I thought they use it in plumbing and what not because of that fact. Some verdigris or what ever maybe but red I think not its more advanced then that.
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 Posted 12/20/2013  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a mint employee tried to scrape this one out of an annealing oven or something while they were unloading it or something like that. *** Family Friendly Edit ***
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The picture of the reverse is a coin that spent some time in a parking lot being run over by cars. I find them quite often. I agree with Jayman that the coloration is caused by some sort of environmental exposure, and not something that happened at the mint.

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Zincoln planchets are soft enough that they do not require annealing and even if they did, it would be the planchet, not the struck coin, that was annealed.
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Ok here is another one this one is not zinc. It has an interesting pattern of damage but I know I can see that but you never know I could have been jammed up in the sifters that sift out mishapped coins before they leave the mint or maybe some other way before it made it into the mint bags or what ever. You have to look close at the tear drop like gouges and the rounded notches of what ever gripped onto the coin. Look close at the marks how some of them have like three impressions of a tear drop like impression on top of each other on the monument but only one set of marks on the rim in that area. I know it looks like someone ''took pliers to it'' but if you really look close and think about it with an open mind it seems more interesting then that. The words IN GOD WE TRUST have that Bluesish, turquoise and copper tones to it its really cool<sidenote). I know these are the hardest kind to figure out/prove becuase there is not really much about these red cents or about mint mangled coins but I know there is a kind of error catogory for that so ok its probably PMD but just seems like it could be more to it then that. Just remember we dont really know exactly what processes they use to this day I'm sure they dont tell us everything. Just take a look but I thnk only the workers could say for sure if they have seen this damage pattern on coins found somewhere in themint. Unless someone else has found another error coin that also had these marks. Like I said I know its probably PMD but I find it interesting regardless. Have a look
You never know what could have happened! If it wasnt for the red colored I probably wouldnt have saved it or put much thought into.

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does anyone know if there are any kind of washes or treatments they use after the coin is pressed. regarding the red colors. Has anyone ever seen anything in the books about red coloring. I know some seem love those RED perfect mint condition coins! Thats part of what makes me think these really red colored cents could be some kind of process error like they were over colored in some process.
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not only just after the coin is pressed but what about before as well. I know there are things like copper washed and annealing and some say they are soft enough to not need anealling but how do you know they dont do that to further prolong the die's seeing how so many cents are made.
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The red color is from environmental damage. Either a dug coin or something that was in weather for a while. The "Bluesish, turquoise" color is corrosion. This isn't some sort of error from a "secret" minting process, it's just not.
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uman2: I love your "passion" concerning these coins. I would not have looked twice at these. They are damaged and this color is not natural for cents. There are lots of "good" coins out there to find, keep looking.
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The answer here is quite simple: Dimes are from Venus, cents are from Mars.
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Lincolnguy, I the blue coloring I was talking about is on the words, date, field and high spots of the devices like I said. I was not talking aobut the verdgris. I think the red color actually makes the coin more susceptible to corrosion thats why some of these red cents usually have some corrosion. I always look twice unless there in good condition or look like the rest of them! Its really cool. Anybody else have any red colored cents they can post just to see. They might be more interesting then you think.


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