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 Posted 06/30/2007  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think rather than debating what is or is NOT fraud, it would be much more constructive to explain how these "error coins" can be identified and how they are manufactured. Same can be said with toning, counterfeits, and other marketing tactics.

My point is that buyers cannot rely on ebay or law enforcement to help out or protect them from this or any other unscrupulous seller. One would reap more rewards by illustrating examples of Dr.'d coins with side by side pics and an explanation on PUP for such examples to show inexperienced buyers. If you want to shut down these huxterz you must educate collectors not throw idle threats their way.
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 Posted 06/30/2007  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Benji. Education is the only way to get rid of the people. and I also agree that the guy is a scumbag and should be taken out behind the shed and shot but that wont stop anything. there is always another waiting in the shadow to take his place as soon as he is found and removed.
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 Posted 06/30/2007  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check his feedback for some of the other items that he sold to others...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...330125364815
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 Posted 07/01/2007  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sent a WORN out nickle but sold me a AU OR CU coin refund finally -- --negative

Pretty typical of a bad seller/liar and the response..

thank you for your bad feedback you tould my you will left I possitive feedback


Bewilders me, it's like, "whaddya saying the coins wrong!
You promised you'd make me look good!"

Actually, I find some of the positive feedback quite disturbing, too - in fact, possibly even more so..

Interesting look when seen personally, thanks

Hehehe... I bet

Nice coin, just as described

Yup - just as seen on T.V.!

This on is my favorite, he is so ugly he's a beauty



Very accurate,Very satisfied AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...photohosting

Great deal!
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07/01/2007 07:21 am
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 Posted 07/01/2007  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is the beauty of ebay. You can sell just aabout anything. Jay Leno sometimes has a portion of his show with stuff they found on ebay. Amazing what people will buy. As to coins, there is nothing like coin shows. Never bought anything through ebay but luckily where I live no need to. With coin shows, gun shows, knife shows, camera shows, computer shows, flea markets and store after store, why use ebay. With well over 3 coin shows a month, ebay is out.
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 Posted 07/03/2007  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

You guys are right about education stopping the sellers those burned coins with blow torches. You will amazed the junk found in rolls of coins from banks. I have found black nickels before, Pennies with no copper plating on them where you can see the zinc like the 1943 steel Penny's.
To the regular person those coins found could be error coins or ? mark coins burned with blow torches , alternations or whatever. What are people supposed do like me who find those things and try to sell them on ebay's. We don't know what we are selling on ebay's true mint errors or fakes?
I had the same problem once. I sold an fake 1990 no s penny proof set. I found in estate of grandfathers stuff. Since he died I never knew where or what it came from . It sold on ebay's and buyer thought its an fake and it is still unknown if it came from us mint or remade using an bu coin or mint set penny.

I even called us secret service and wanted to them look at proof set to confirm its an fake or real. Buyer wanted me in jail. I even was going to turn myself to USA government for selling fake us mint products. Reason I felt I did nothing wrong for selling it on ebay. The USA government never even called me back or even tried to inspect the set I sold. Your correct the us government to to busy dealing with big cases and not those small items being sold on ebay.

Since your correct on education . People like me need know how fakes are made , stuff like toned coins , alterations. Reason where I not will get burned or riped off buying or getting into trouble selling it. What I learned 85 % of the people buying coins don't know what they buying or selling. To average person those coins could be real us mint errors. I could not tell in till you said it was burned with an blow torch and polished.
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NumisMattyUk's Avatar
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 Posted 07/03/2007  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bottom line is what he is doing is so obviously wrong!
It's not like he just sells the odd one like that - they are all the same and there's no way you could find so many ringers as that..is there? they all look the same - flambe
Even some of his buyers have figured it out ..
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 Posted 07/10/2007  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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This is the reason I do not or ever will buy something of E-Bay, there are other sites

ebay isn't the problem, and the seller is only PART of the problem. A significant portion of the blame here has to go to the buyer who is willing to throw away his money on something he doesn't know anything about. Yes I find the seller questionable, but I have no sympathy for the buyers. I also see no reason to stay away from ebay because someone is selling fakes, just don't buy them.

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To list a coin as an error if you are doing it fraudulently, is fraud.

No argument with that, "to commit fraud is fraud"

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Say you found the coin in change and sold it on ebay not knowing what it is and said it was an "error" then, probably no fraud, just misrepresentation.

I'd have to agree with that as well.

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But this gut has more than one, and more than one "sintered" Washington dollar so he didn't find it in change, He did it himself, FRAUD, imo.

Whoops, now you've gone too far, made an assumption, and are dangerously close to libel. Can you prove he made them? Is there ANY chance that he could have acquired them without making them himself? Such as maybe he got them from someone else (either buying them or having someone give them to him to sell)? Make sure you have all the facts before you go around accusing someone of committing fraud, or you could get yourself in trouble some day.
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 Posted 07/11/2007  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or whoever fraudulently possesses...


What does it mean to fraudulently posses? I think it's interesting the things people will do to coins when they are bored. I keep the ugly, mutilated coins I find. Is is bad to keep these?
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 Posted 07/12/2007  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
[qote]What does it mean to fraudulently posses?[/quot]
To posses with the intent to usthem to commit fraud the future. (Althouh how you are going to prove what I intend to do with something at some unknown point in the future I have no idea.)
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 Posted 07/12/2007  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littleboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i bet that guy will one day kill himself experimenting with gasoline or something to alter coins.
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 Posted 07/14/2007  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One Red Cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
His shipping costs are a rip off too. Even if people win his auctions for he 99cent minimum, they spend $4.99 to ship one coin. They probably come in a cardboard flip, maybe wrapped in a cardboard wrapper and sent in an envelope. Entire shipping costs probably $1.60.
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