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Edited by Errorcoins
06/30/2007 01:38 am
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I'm both upset and intrigued. He must have polished the heck out of them after he melted em. I'd pay a buck for it strictly for the uniqueness but can't believe one is going for $26.
Dang it why am I such an honest person? I could be getting paid to destroy stuff!
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Ya the cents are quite odd.. I collect a type set of error type cents and this has never come up, so I looked at his other auctions and he has two more with diff dates. lol. what a "rare: coincidence, NOT!
And then I saw the "sintered" roll (and the price of it) and the low feedback and the someone who buys the roll is gunna be upset.
errrror
Edited by Errorcoins
06/30/2007 01:46 am
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Valued Member
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This is the reason I do not or ever will buy something of E-Bay, there are other sites...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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He is a crook. It was definately done with a blow torch then polished. Someone like this should be thrown off ebay |
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United States
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I just sent him this:
Are you aware of this? Sure would be a bummer if someone took one of your "errors" to the proper authoirities huh? The fine has increased since 1994 also. I think it's now discretionary to the courts. Have a great time selling....
United States Code
TITLE 18
PART I
CHAPTER 17
§ 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins
"Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes,
falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of
the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current
or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States;
or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or
sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into
the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered,
defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or
lightened— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
five years, or both."
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valutarick, ebay is not the problem, the seller is. That's Why ebay has feedback. This guys score was very low imo. ebay did not fail here. I buy everthing from ebay, you just have to know what you are buying and whom (feedback) you aare buying from. errrror |
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Not that I agree with what is being done, but out of curiosity, what is the difference between this and me taking a cent and flattening it out in one of these elongated cent machines? Jim  |
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It's not just opinion, you are blatantly right!
If I were to go and put coins on the railway tracks and have them flattened and sell them as 'errors' it would be just as bad.
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Very true However If I got a penny pincher cent and sold it on ebay as "Rare government flattened cent L@@K" That is were the line is drawn IMO. He is purposely deceiving people into thinking they are getting something which makes it worse. |
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A U S Mint Error Coin is just that, an "error" coin. To list a coin as an error if you are doing it fraudulently, is fraud. Say you found the coin in change and sold it on ebay not knowing what it is and said it was an "error" then, probably no fraud, just misrepresentation. But this gut has more than one, and more than one "sintered" Washington dollar so he didn't find it in change, He did it himself, FRAUD, imo. errror |
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neuyon, I see NO Fraud in the rainbow toned dollar coin. He does not claim it to be an error.
He claims it to be rainbow toned, which it is. He started the auction for a buck. The bidders drove this one up , it is the bidder fault on this one for not being educated as to what this coin is.
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I think rather than debating what is or is NOT fraud, it would be much more constructive to explain how these "error coins" can be identified and how they are manufactured. Same can be said with toning, counterfeits, and other marketing tactics. These sellers have little fear in regards to the legal ramifications(basically none). Searching for and weeding out these sellers is not in the best interest of ebay. Their only legal obligations are fiduciary towards their share holders. This kind of "fraud" rarely ever registers on local, state, or federal radars. While working on contract with the a USPS forensic lab, I can confirm that only sellers clearing 7 figures are pursued. Those who were defrauded usually see no restitution b/c the accused are pursued for tax evasion rather than fraud. Edited by Benji
06/30/2007 12:26 pm
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I can confirm that only sellers clearing 7 figures are pursued. Those who were defrauded usually see no restitution b/c the accused are pursued for tax evasion rather than fraud.
I agree with you there Benji, but with what this person is making on cents, he could be at 7 figures in no time. As for fraud, if you read the United States Code that I posted, you will see that this person is violating the law. How many people have actually gone to jail for it, I cannot say, nor do I want to venture a guess or start an ongoing debate. I just posted to show the folks here and to potentially post the reply I receive. Which should be more interesting if I do receive one. Jim, I do agree with your question/thought, however, you are also not attempting to turn around and sell as an error per say. I guess in all reality in reading the section, putting a coin on train tracks is against the law, but I doubt it would be taken that literally......JMO |
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