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Two Million, Two Hundred Million?

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Two million or two hundred million? How many Americans are coin collectors? The following numbers, from an online article at Coincollector.org, indicate a huge growth in this hobby.

"About 2 million Americans collected coins before the State Quarter program began, according to a 2001 survey for the Mint.

By 2001, as many as 125 million American adults, many of them seniors, were collecting the State Quarters for themselves, their children or their grandchildren, according to the survey by Washington, D.C.-based Peter D. Hart Research."


But how do we define "coin collectors?" Is pulling State Quarters out of circulation enough to make one a coin collector, or are there other, more critical criteria that must be met? I don't have the answer...but there is little doubt that the State Quarters, the Journey of Discovery nickels, and the Presidential dollars are nurturing a fresh and growing interest in U.S. coins and coinage.

If we consider the casual accumulator of coins from circulation as coin collectors, and agree that the number of collectors in the late 1990's was about 2 million, then we've seen at least a 62-fold increase in the number of people involved in this hobby over a five year period. I certainly wish I could see that rate of growth in my 401 K!

In recent years, we've seen a dramatic increase in the value of many coins, especially key dates and high quality common date coins. This increase implies an imbalance in supply and demand favoring the seller. It is likely that demand is up because (1) baby boomers are getting older (I'll come back to that in a moment) and (2) some of those State Quarter collectors have branched out into other series.

What do baby boomers have to do with the price of coins? I would suggest that as this population demographic ages they have more disposable income and time to devote to the hobby. They are getting a bit older, fatter, and less inclined to go surfing, hiking, rock climbing, or dancing at the local disco! Their interests are returning to some of their earliest passtimes...and coin collecting is one such activity.

In the late 50's and early 60's, when many boomers were young and first becoming aware of the differences in coins, it was possible to still get the occasional Buffalo nickel or Standing Liberty quarter in change from the local A&W. If you had more than a couple of nickels to rub together, Walking Liberty halves were common, and silver dollars were available from the local bank. Wheat cents were only just beginning to be replaced in circulation by memorial cents, and Indian Head pennies were sometimes found in pocket change, and often found in grandpa's dresser drawer.

It was a halcyon time for young collectors, because you could find coins of so many varieties in circulation. It was difficult to build complete sets, naturally, but you didn't need a neighborhood coin store and deep pockets to get coins for your collection.

The advent of clad coinage killed the hobby for awhile, just as boomers were on the verge of college and the draft. Boomers had other interests just as silver coins of all sorts were drained from circulation in a matter of months or a few years at most. Even wheat cents disappeared almost entirely. And the exotic buffaloes, indian heads, standing liberties and walking liberties were gone. Many boomers set aside their nascent collections and set their sights on other goals.

With the onset of empty nests, retirement, maturity, and disposable income, boomers are buying the coins (the key dates) that they always hoped to find in their pocket change as kids.

What does this mean for the short term and long term collector? First, we really need to know more about who is seriously collecting coins...just who is buying those key date and high grade common date coins and when will those coins be coming back onto the market?

Supply and demand are the immutable determiners of value. How long will demand outstrip supply of collectible coins? At what point will boomers, or their heirs, be selling off those collections, and will the demand be there to support current prices or even increase them?

Is the U.S. Mint the friend of the coin investor? Will the Presidential dollar series continue to increase the number of collectors once the State Quarter series has come to an end? Or is there the possibility of a backlash of sorts in the world of numismatics?

Ponder for a moment, all those folks hoping that their State Quarter collections, so carefully built, will return a nice profit on their investment. Will their hopes come true, or will they be dashed by a supply that outstrips demand for decades to come? If the latter, will their interest in coin collecting be dampened and their enthusiasm wain? Or will they turn to nineteenth and early twentieth century series to continue collecting?

It may be that only time will tell.
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07/12/2007 7:07 pm
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Good article. I agree people who just collect the State Quarters, find a Wheat penny and keep it, or just buy a coin for investment(silver and gold) aren't collectors. For me, in order to be a collector you have to have an interest in the hobby.
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I agree with you on this. Some may strongly disagree as the SQ's are coins and they are collecting them. I just have a hard time calling the people who accumulate SQ's from circulation as being a "collector" as far as the numismatic hobby is concerned. These are people that are likely never to buy a coin magazine or newspaper subscription, go to a coin show, or step into a coin shop. I think the true collector sphere is much, much smaller.
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I agree with most of the observations on the demographics of types of collectors and what the range of material they're pursuing. It seems prices on many coins have remained flat for the last 6 months with the only exception being really popular key's and (of course) Morgan dollars so maybe demand is dropping off for some series.

The one area I can't seem to get a good bead on is high grade modern material (including bullion coinage). I'm not sure exactly who (from a demographic perspective)is buying and driving demand for this. And the other question I have with this area is are these truly numismatic collectors or investors driving up demand for modern material?
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Eh, I don't know. I think the people who are collecting the SQ's are indeed collectors... but I would never call them a Numismatist. Maybe that's the difference.
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I also agree somewhat, but have an different opinion of the State Quarters collectors. It all has to begin somewhere, be it wheats when I was a young boy in the 70's, or State Quarters for a young boy now. It all has to start somewhere. Some will bud into enthusiastic numismatist, some will be disappointed when their quarters have not gone up in value by the margins they anticipated. I fit into that story, I started collecting wheats as a young boy. Of course as you age your priorities change and things get put away. Jump ahead to 5 years ago, my mom brought over some of my stuff after I got married and there were my old Star Wars toys, my great grandfather, grandfathers, and fathers stamp collection. Then there were my wheats, oh how I remembered my wheats. I started looking into finishing off my collection, and just last month I did, well pretty much. The Dansco album is full, I have proofs from 1953- present. I have an extensive error and variety collection. I belong to the Society of Lincoln Collectors.

Along the way to finishing off my Lincoln collection, I have done a American Eagle set, some commemoratives, some of a variety set and some that just caught my eye and were nice to photograph. This summer I have started taking my 3 year old to the coin shows and he helps me sort through my wheats. My point here is some may not turn out to be collectors now, some might. Some may wait 20 years from now and find those Statehood Quarters, have some more disposable income, and get involved in collecting coins.
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ElleKitty...I'm not crazy enough to define "coin collector." I don't want to cause a big ruckus.

Amazon and Prethen...I thought I said that I didn't have the definitive list of criteria for what makes a coin collector, but also tried to make clear that collecting State Quarters today is coin collecting, in my book. Now...are those people "serious" coin collectors? Depends on who "those people" are, I suppose, and what their goals might be. That's what I love about this hobby, it is so broad that it can include many, many different personality types and interests!

Ken...I can only speculate on the bullion coinage buyers. I am of the opinion that a significant proportion of those people are "new" collectors who came into the hobby in the last 10-15 years (and I don't mean to step on anyone's toes by calling them "new" after 15 years of collecting.) My point is that the attraction of these rounds for people was the intial availability and frequent "retro" styling. The modern rounds, especially the Australian bullion pieces, are art, pure plain and simple, and should command a premium over silver spot prices. And, like other art (say, limited edition prints) should appreciate in value over time so long as the "style" remains in vogue. All IMHO...others are very welcome to differ.
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07/12/2007 7:24 pm
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I wasn't trying to be critical. I just find it hard to believe that anyone who picks something out of change and puts it in a drawer, is classified as a "collector".
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I agree with Prethen.
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The SQ's are more of a curiosity to the general public because it's easy to just pick the new state out that you haven't seen yet and put it in your nice pretty $19.95 holder on the wall.

Not sure if I would deem that as being a "collector" but more of an "avid curiosity seeker." I think it's no different then when hoards of people collected the Olympic pins in '96. People had them all Over their body. But once the games were over....the curiosity ended. It will always be a new fad in our country for coins and oddities like the Prez Dollars and whatever else the Mint decides to cash in on in the future.

However it is Our job to help build that knowledge and love of collecting with others. Ingraining a sense of pride in our collections to pass off to our children (dang it...your children) is what is essential for the true collectors to flourish.
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Anyone who attempts to form a coin collection of a specific series or theme is a coin collector. Anyone who studies the coins or series from any of several possible vantages is a numismatist. An argument could be made that assembling a collection for someone else might not make you a collector.

Most returning collectors are collecting the series they collected back in the '60's or are trying older series they couldn't afford then. There are many millions of these people but there are unlikely to many many more in the future since if they aren't back by now they probably won't come later. Indeed, there numbers should actually start dropping soon as the boomers reach retirement age.

Most of the states quarter collectors are new collectors of all ages. They are disproportionately children and young adults.

Modern bullion and commem collectors come from all the groups even including old timer coin collectors but they tend to be new or returning collectors.

Believe it or not most other modern collectors are new collectors with large numbers of old timers. There are a lot of old timers who have come to appreciate how few of many of these coins were saved and a few who never really quit collecting new coins as the years went by. A few returning collectors dabble in this area too, since there is so much value and they can remember when the coins were new.
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Good article. Thanks for sharing...
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I think the State Quarters have introduced an entire generation to collecting. I think there is a terminology issue at hand here. I would call one perhaps "casual collecting" and the other maybe "Serious collecting". At any rate I think the Presidential dollars will have the same effect of bringing more people into the hobby. Mike
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Who here thinks SQ sets can be sold for a profit? I don't think its going to be a very good investment. Fun, though.
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Here's an interesting thought....

I just bought 2 19th century U.S. postage stamps (see my thread on the 3-cent story). In fact, I put them in a very nice display. I also buy whatever the current postage stamps the post office has on sale and they stay around my house for months. Am I a stamp collector? I would emphatically say "No". But...why not? Because I have no active interest in philatelist hobby, I have a very narrow area that I had any interest to begin with, and I say I'm not a collector.

I bet you, if you asked many of the people gathering SQ's from change if they're a collector, they'll say, "Hey I just get these out of change when I can, I'm not a coin collector though."

There's an old time liberal Jewish saying that says "A Jew is anyone who says they are." You might just want to apply that axiom to the coin collector as well.
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On the State Quarters I don't think they will ever increase much. Main reason they not silver and the us mint made millions of them in that run of quarter's. They have no keys dates or such stuff like the old coins do. The other reason was the aftermarket flooded the market with painted , plated, alterations of them. The only ones I ever see that will be worth money are the 1999 silver proof sets, 2001 proof sets, 2004 mint sets. Reason lots them was taken part for books. I never could figure why the 2001 proof set and 2004 mint set is worth so much. I wish I knew why.
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