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Carolvs II Dei Gar Simon 1663 Rare Or Fake

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 Posted 12/22/2013  05:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add antonia26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi can someone help me had this coin for many years forgot all about it until friday is it fake or real . Took to a coin dealer who barely looked at it and said fake as he also had one and had same wear on top of coin is was a lot shiner than mine also is had a little chunk our of the rim . Theres only 2 pictures I can find online of these and the coin dealers looks like the one I seen online but mine is slighty different. Just want to be really certain just cause one person says it fake. I.ve done the icecube test the hanky test i.m now looking into buying a silver test kit to see for certain.it measures right I haven.t weighted it yet.

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 Posted 12/22/2013  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would suggest weighing it next. I don't know this coin type, but it looks very clean and fairly new to me.
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The 1663 "petition crowns" of Thomas Simon are an extremely famous rarity in the English coinage series. Genuine examples are worth tens of thousands of pounds and only a couple dozen are known to exist. They all have recorded provenances and the odds of an unrecorded one just popping up someplace are astronomically low. Dealers are going to assume any such coins are fake unless they can prove otherwise.

In this case, the proof isn't hard. Two things stand out to me: the details on your coin are very "mushy", typical of what you might expect to see from a cast replica rather than a struck coin.

Second, the edge. Your edge appears to be plain; at least, I can't see any marking on it. All the genuine coins have an inscription, either the "petition" in two lines of teeny tiny writing (THOMAS SIMON MOST HVMBLY PRAYS...)" or the even rarer Latin inscription (REDDITE QUAE CAESARIS... meaning "Render unto Caesar").
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Ok how do I go about the weighing it as the british musuem says it 29.98 grammes and other sites saying 33.09g thats a big difference also where can I get the silver testing kit from locally what kind of shops sell it or have I got to order it.
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Hi it does have the writing around the edge will see if I can take a picture now.
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Carolvs-II-Dei-Gar-Simon-1663-Rare-Or-Fake the coin is not as bright as the picture shows mind looks more dull in colour also been wiped down to show everything upmore also has a C stamped on back is this c means counterfit put there by someone to prove it is perhaps so someone else can.t be conned.
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Hi i.ve weighed it only 19grams so yes a fake so thanks for the help anyway.
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http://www.petitioncrown.com/HOME_PAGE.html

This will take you to the genuine article. Have a look at some of the other pages too. You can see both a Petition and a Reddite crown further down the page which only varies in the edge
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Well all is not lost I contacted the petition crown they had a look at my photos and said I can sell it to a dealer or to someone who is looking to complete their collection he had recently sold one for £1500 at auction.so could still make a nice amount.
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