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Grading Opinions For 1915-S Buffalo Nickel

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 Posted 12/27/2013  3:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Opinions on the grade of this coin? How important is the spot in the SW field on the reverse? Thanks so much!

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 Posted 12/27/2013  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to me like a nice coin ...lots of luster, little or minor wear on the high areas of the coin design. The only thing I can see is that there appears to be toning on the coin. Which many people find desirable. The mark on the reverse could possibly be toning or not but I believe that it should grade well as high as MS66. Thats my humble opinion.
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 Posted 12/28/2013  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-64.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't say too much with these pics. Maybe you can retake them so we could be more useful :/
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 Posted 12/29/2013  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much for the comments and assistance. Supergog- these pics are as sharp as I can upload. The 100K limit on pics forces the image down to a level of resolution about 1/5 of the original. Each side is approx 99K; the originals are each 600K.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found a way to shrink the picture without giving up too much on resolution. Are these better pictures to grade?

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 Posted 12/29/2013  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am AU58 on this one.

1915 dies were used a LOT. There are multiple dates & mints within the Buffalo series that are truly, one year wonders in the grading department.

Reverse - the flat shoulder coupled with the flat tail put me in the AU camp.

The obverse has too many contact marks to be MS...or...at least get into an MS plastic tombstone.


and...this may very well be the case, that this 15 S is a STUNNER in hand.
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 Posted 02/04/2014  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acloco thanks so much for your thoughts and sorry for the delay in acknowledging your response. I will be getting the coin graded soon, but frankly have many of the same thoughts as you. Specifically, 1915-S coins are mentioned by David Lange in his book as notoriously poorly struck. So, the flat areas may simply be, to your very relevant point, worn areas of the die(s). Still, there are areas with really nice detail, such as the hair above the horn and on the back. The tail is flat, but shows a vestige of a split, so given the striking characteristics for this date/mint I feel it would be difficult to call this lower than a 58.

The obverse likewise has mixed characteristics. The date is fully struck; if you look at these coins the 19 is usually blended into the background. Liberty is not fully struck, but nearly so, especially toward the bottom of the letters. The long feather is not separated from the rim, creating the impression that perhaps the strike pressure was not as full on the left side of the obverse.

Lastly, I agree with you about the nicks. Tends to support a grade of 58 though we all see MS coins all the time with nicks. By definition, a 64 has nicks, otherwise it would be a 65, 66, 67, or 68!

I will post when the coin comes back. Hoping for a 64 but thinking it's a 58.

Thanks again so much for the repartee as I seek to learn from more informed numismatists.
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 Posted 02/04/2014  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's way too much washout in the pic to see the surfaces correctly
The detail looks top shelf
Some carbon spotting though? That could hold it back
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 Posted 02/05/2014  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mikey07nj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they may 60 this coin the price between au 50 and ms 60 is $150.00. For an early buffalo I think 60. I'm angry last week I missed a 15 s on ebay ef 40 easy went to NWCoin for $56.00. I confirmed $100.00 bid with 4 sec and thought oh wow I got that for $56.00 I guess 6460 transactions does give you an advantage. That's how I figured out who got it. I had just bought 4 coins from him and his numbers were right in front of me
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 Posted 02/09/2014  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mikey - for the seller you mentioned in your post, just curious have you put a strong magnet to any of those coins or looked at them from the perspective of evaluating as counterfeits?
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 Posted 02/25/2014  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the end, this coin came back AU details, improperly cleaned (polished)
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 Posted 02/26/2014  09:40 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you get it off ebay ?
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 Posted 03/04/2014  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I got it on ebay and successfully returned it for a refund.
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 Posted 03/05/2014  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How did you manage a return after 3 months?
good seller anyway.
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 Posted 03/06/2014  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We had agreed that as an option to returning the coin, I would get it graded at my cost if graded but his cost plus refund if details or body bagged
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