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Info On A Strange 1883 Fake Indian Head Says "Not One Cent"

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If anyone has any information on what this is it would be greatly appreciated. Looks like a regular Indian Head but it clearly isn't and I have no idea what the purpose of this would be except for some weird prop piece or something.

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I believe that is a civil war token, and that should be 1863
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Really because I have other Civil War tokens (from 1863) but none have the Indian Head.
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windog, follow this link, there were 100's-1000's of different versions.
http://home.comcast.net/~bluitje104189mi/index.htm

and here are some of mine
http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...p?album=1367
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Yep Civil War token. With better pictures I'm sure we can tell you which variety it is.
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It is definitely a Patriotic CWT. FULD #87/357

Here's one like yours currently on E-Bay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1863-Civil-...em3a892c0269
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Odd that someone would have to say NOT ONE CENT. Why not say NOT A DOLLAR? Not a MILLION DOLLARS. NOT A HANDGRANADE.
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Odd that someone would have to say NOT ONE CENT.


People were hoarding the US cents in circulation, and the tokens were given out by merchants as the EQUIVALENT for a penny. In order to not look like counterfeits, they had to put the "NOT" on them
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windog, what other CWTs do you have? There is an awesome topic devoted entirely to CWT here on the CCF... You should post some pictures of your other tokens...

https://goccf.com/t/108866
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I have a few CWT but a lot just miscellaneous store tokens.
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Very Neat coins...I have one close,,,,States "Not One Cent for the Widows" on the reverse
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The Civil War tokens with variations of "not one cent for..." were carrying on a tradition that started with Hard Times tokens in the 1830's. The necessity of stating on the token that it was "not one cent" of legal tender was taken as an opportunity to quote a great political slogan coined by Senator Robert Goodloe Harper:

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In 1798 at a dinner in Philadelphia honoring John Marshall, a group of U.S. Congressmen were discussing a recent demand made by the government of France. French vessels had been plundering US ships in a piratical manner.
French foreign minister Talleyrand said the attacks would be stopped if the US paid him $250,000 and gave France 50,000 pounds sterling and a $100 million loan. As toasts were made, Harper sent his own defiant reply to the French with this toast: "Millions for defense but not one cent for tribute."



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Very interesting philadelphian!
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