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Constantin 1 - Solidus - Letters Missing.... Opinions Wanted

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What does everyone think of this coin?

It's a Constantin 1 Solidus with a early to mid reign head (from what I know) and the 2 Xs - meaning 2o years - however the "VOT" is missing above the double X on the shield or mirror.

The owner says its a very rare coin and not found in any catalogues.

What do you all think of the buckle and split in the coin also?

If this site allows please comment on a possiable valuation if this is a one-off coin.

Thanks.

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Interesting coin. Wildwinds does not list the shield as having a VOT above the Xs. It does list trier mint as issuing XXX with an X filling that space. An XX example, listed as mint mark TRP, would be like this but this mint mark, AQ, s for Aquilea. However, the picture provided for the TRP example is actually this very coin.

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Thank-you BenByfield! Great identification!

Can you comment on the condition - is it negitive to have a bend and split in a coin like this?
And what do you think of the valuation? Is it around $4500?
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to the community.

I wasn't able to locate a match for this coin in RIC, but that really doesn't mean too much. The die crack and bend reduces the value some. I don't collect Roman gold so I really can't comment on the value so much, but it seems to me that $4500 is a bit too much.
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The waviness wont help you. The general condition is alright. The trier example on Wildwinds sold for $22k, but its in far superior condition:

Constantin-1---Solidus---Letters-Missing....-Opinions-Wanted

Then again, this eastern mint example (with the VOT) sold for $2000:

Constantin-1---Solidus---Letters-Missing....-Opinions-Wanted

Heres the ID for yours:

CONSTANTINVS PF AVG, laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right.
VICTORIBVS AVGG NN VOTIS, Victory seated right on cuirass
and shield, inscribing XX on shield, supported by a small
genius standing facing, head left. A Q in ex, Aqueleia mint.

Its interesting. I couldnt find an RIC reference for it, nor mention of it anywhere. Id get an email to the British museum to see if they can weigh in on it. They wont value it for you, though. The split is quite concerning, but the waviness makes me think that it is gold and the design is fine.

I have to say, I think this one is going to turn out to be rare. Theres no knowing how much its worth until someone pays for it.
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I see what you mean - "this very coin".... strange. I didn't understand directly. Would that mean that this coin could be unique after all? Is Aquilea the name of the mint town?
Thanks.
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Thanks again - I hadn't refreshed my internet page and seen your reply.
I will look into mailing the British museum.

It's alittle strange also that the coin is in sweden and the guy won't tell me any history about it except it has been in the ground "2000 years" although he said he can write he is the lawful owners or has lawful right to sell the coin. I think its been found metal detecting - Sweden being the worst place legally to enjoy this hobby.
Could this coin have normally got to Sweden in it's normal life?
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I couldnt say about its uniqueness. Wildwinds is notoriously incomplete. Aqueleia being the name of the mint town, yes.
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A comment just in "Constantinian solidi don't normally come with the flattened rims like on this coin"

Is this true?
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That is true. Its something I wondered about. It looks like it was struck that way - perhaps a filled die. I cant authenticate such a piece - I own no gold. I do recommend popping an email to the lads at the British Museum. They are happy to help with these things.
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UPDATE: REPLY FROM THE BRITISH MUSEUM RECEIVED TODAY:

"Dear Mr Clark, many thanks for showing us this piece. From the image and the weight you mention I would have described it as an aureus or festaureus of Constantine the Great minted at Aquileia between 313 and 320. (Festaureus was a type of special occasion gold coin produced under Constantine and his successors preserving the old gold coin weight of the aureus which he had replaced with a lighter coin of about 4.5g (the solidus) from around AD 309. However, this happened slightly later in Italy as Constantine extended his power from the west so it could be the last of the run of aurei depending on how you look at it.)


It isn't a recorded type as far as I can see but I would like to send to over to colleagues to see if they can make anything of it. Do you know if is a British find? (If so we would love to record it on the finds.org.uk database)

yours sincerely,
Richard Abdy, duty curator on 16.1.14"
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Interesting coin. Looks struck. Die cracks and recut worn die.
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Though it is possible some "Goths" might have been a reason for Roman gold coins being in the Scandinavian peninsula, I'd take any uncorroborated statements "with a big packet of Salt".
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