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1878 Third Reverse. Newbie!

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Hi everyone. I see coin collecting has come a long way from just filling holes in the old Whitman folder. I have been collecting since a child but am a total newbie when it comes to these things called VAMs. I am also a rookie at trying to grade my coins but I am very enthusiastic and can wait no longer to start posting.

I took these with my camera but am thinking about getting a USB magnifier camera thing. Anybody use this? Anyhoo, Here is a good ol' 78. Any info on VAM or anything for that matter is appreciated because upon joining I learned I know absolutely nothing and I still have at least 50 good years of collecting ahead of me. P.S. I love Morgans!

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 Posted 01/02/2014  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leej to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the Reverse. I tried taking more close ups to be more helpful but they didnt turn out that great. Will keep trying.



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 Posted 01/02/2014  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
leej,

Welcome to the VAMaddiction pages!

I can't VAM it with the photos provided, but I can help narrow your search. It appears to have a C3 reverse which would narrow it to VAMs 220-232 (C3 is identified by a squared base of the feather between the eagle's left wing and body - viewer's right). It also appears to have a broken fourth right star. Good luck and keep us posted.
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 Posted 01/02/2014  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leej to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a million for the info Seated Nut! That really narrows my search and once I have memorized some of these characteristics, I will know where to begin on future coins. I just ordered another magnification device because I cannot locate mine. Further research will need its use for me to narrow it down further. I will post my findings when they become available.
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 Posted 01/02/2014  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with SeatedNut. Your coin should be in the 222-229 group at the bottom of the 1878-P page. Good luck!
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I keep coming up with VAM-215 as the date placement is right and most of all look at the hair coming out off the forehead! That is some very strong fine detail that matches up with nothing I can find. It would need to have the Bump on the "D" of DOLLAR to be a VAM-215 But that's the best I can do with the photos provided.
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Here's my little wrench into the works:

I see a C1 reverse. The bottom feather does_not_reach the lowest outside wing feather; this is plain in the OP's image.

By default, noting the lack of smoking-gun pickups, this one *has* to be V202. No broken N & M, no missing nostril, no short wheat leaf. Except....

....in the plate coin images at VAMworld - two separate coins - V202 doesn't have a C1 reverse. It looks more like a C3 based on the bottom feather.

So where am I going wrong here?
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SsuperDdave


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I see a C1 reverse. The bottom feather does_not_reach the lowest outside wing feather; this is plain in the OP's image.


I see it touching ... enhanced photo


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Except, unless it's PMD, the bottom feather is to the right of your arrow which is pointing to the intersection of the second feather. Even when I concede that, the gap between the feather and the leg doesn't work.

I'm getting a headache.
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 Posted 01/03/2014  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just not good photos but this is what I see as interesting.



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 Posted 01/03/2014  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leej to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is very tedious. I really appreciate the help guys and hopefully I get the hang of this. I took several more photos to help, hopefully.

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 Posted 01/03/2014  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leej to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More at different angles.

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More.

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Date and lower hair.

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Upside down for some lighting on the date and neck area.

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Leej,

I see you're posting photos with different areas highlighted. Appreciate your efforts, but without closeups we old fellers can't see things we need to see to attribute it.

The first photos have two of us seeing different things. The key to the C1, C2, and C3 reverses is that feather configuration between the eagle's right wing and body (viewer's left). I see a squared base to that feather that extends to the primary wing feather ... outlined in photo below

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But there is a shadown just below it that is confusing. Only way to tell is a shot with a macro lens of microscope.

Here's a link to a piece done several years ago to help folks with the 1878-P VAMs. At the very end are shots of all three of these feather configurations. With the coin in hand you'll and a 10x loupe, you'll need to confirm for us.
https://goccf.com/t/48638

Cheers

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