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 Posted 01/06/2014  5:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverArt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just found out a coin shop uses the picture of my Superman Hologram silver coin from my local Kijiji Ad for their ebay coin. They inserted their name in the picture to make it look like their own. Very unhappy about that.
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01/06/2014 10:48 pm
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sokkos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think the point is because it's so easy to take a pic that the coins store can just use the picture that they didn't take themselves. The picture belongs to SilverArt and was used without permission. It violates copyright.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverArt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Exactly. It's the plagiarism that bothers me. Don't people have any respect for intellectual property anymore?

What's more I received an email asking if I own the coin that I posted for sale with that picture, implying that It was I who copied the picture. What an injustice!
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you ever been to this coishop in question?
Feel free to call me Will.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Don't people have any respect for intellectual property anymore?


Unfortunately, some don't.

I'm sure that this is the reason that more and more sellers are adding "watermarks" to their images
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswitzer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From Kijiji's Terms of Use:

"Content. Kijiji contains stuff from us, you, and other users. You agree not to copy, modify, or distribute Kijiji, our copyrights or trademarks. When you give us content, you are granting us a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sub-licensable right to exercise the copyright, publicity, and database rights to that content."

So you don't mind giving Kijiji the ownership of your picture, but some little coin shop using the pic makes you unhappy? Sorry, but I don't get it :P Pretty much every picture we post online is onto a website that has some legal text (roughly the same as Kijiji's) detailing how they now own your intellectual property... shouldn't that be more upsetting?
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It violates copyright.


Actually, it does not. You have every right to be annoyed and it is very uncool for the seller to do that, but don't try to claim copyright to something you don't own.

For modern coins (NCLT) what you create with photographs is classified as "derivative works". You are, in essence, copying what the engravers and the Royal Canadian Mint hold the copyright to. You can take all the photos you want, of their "art" but you cannot claim copyright or gain financially from images of their coins. You could claim copyright, for example with thematic groups of coins, or creating art using coins, or by adding colour to coins.

http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about...erty-1800010

Should you want to claim copyright, using a coin from the Royal Canadian Mint, you have to use this form:

http://www.mint.ca/store/dyn/PDFs/R...ation_v1.pdf

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01/06/2014 6:52 pm
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 Posted 01/06/2014  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jsinger21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just report it to ebay. End of story.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chubbycheeks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a similar story. I had an ad up on kijiji where two different people stole my picture. I had no idea until someone sent me a hate email telling me to stop spamming kijiji with my ad's.

I was confused by this random attack, so I did a search and I found the ads. I just asked the seller if they could take them down, which didn't work. But I didn't want to waste more time on the matter.

I'm not sure if I was angry but I know I didn't enjoy the hate mail. From that point on I just started watermarking.

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 Posted 01/07/2014  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverleaf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spp Ottawa hit the nail on the head.

If it really bothers you, watermarking is the best bet.

At the end of the day, you aren't selling the photo of the coin you took, but the coin itself. I think its your own brand as a seller that is the most important thing to protect. I have never bought a coin from a person because they were a master photographer

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.:)

I understand you frustration though.
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01/07/2014 05:49 am
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 Posted 01/07/2014  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverArt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your understanding and responds. You guys are the best.
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 Posted 01/07/2014  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gatewest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Happens to us constantly.
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 Posted 01/07/2014  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ravenzcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SilverArt, I feel your pain. Although I am not much of a photographer, myself, I have good friends who are and they periodically have the same stuff happen to them.

Gatewest, what, if anything, do you do to people who steal your photos?
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 Posted 01/07/2014  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gatewest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We used to report people to ebay. But we just don't have the time to police it like we used too. We will take action if people are being gratuitous with their use of our photos or if a customer tips us off. We also gave thought to the use of watermarks but we found it detracted from the image on the coins. The coins from the RCM usually fill the field with the design so it doesn't leave a lot of room for a watermark.
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 Posted 01/07/2014  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswitzer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still don't understand how you guys are alright with the actual websites OWNING your pictures, but someone else using it is a terrible thing...
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 Posted 01/14/2014  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jw-collectibles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We just reported 2 sellers for Policy Violation on ebay; using our pictures and descriptions. A warning to anyone else, ebay says that those sellers will be reprimanded.
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