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PCGS Never Makes Mistakes, Right?

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Some recent topics on TPGs and their abilities reminded me of this, which I'm sharing for those who think some TPGs are fool-proof. Some PCGS goofs:

http://www.coinlink.com/News/us-coi...ts-mouth-is/


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Here are the twelve most expensive PCGS Guarantee "buy-backs";

1794 Silver dollar AU55 $575,000, January, 2008. This was a beautiful looking coin, but on close examination, the hair had been reworked and the toning was actually not original. It was obviously a very skillful doctoring job and it fooled a lot of people.

1849 Mass & Cal $5 AU55 $150,000, June, 2006. This is a very rare territorial gold coin that turned out to be counterfeit.

1792 Half Disme XF45 $150,000, January, 2008. This coin had actually been flattened, probably around 1800, and did not look right at all. We shouldn't have missed this one.

1969-S double die Lincoln Cent MS65RD $80,000, November, 2003. This coin "turned" color in the holder and now only graded MS64RB.

1861/57-S Clark Gruber $20 MS63 $75,000, November, 2007. This coin had been known to the coin community for decades. In fact David Hall had it at coin shows for sale in the mid-1970s. But research eventually showed that this coin, and several other Clark Gruber rarities, were actually counterfeits that were probably made in the 1950s or 1960s.

1861 Clark Gruber $20 (three) MS62s $55,000 each, January, 2008. Same type of circa 1950s counterfeits as coin above.

1899 Indian cent PR69 $50,000, February, 1988. This gorgeous proof Indian cent later developed a huge copper spot covering the face of the Indian. We bought the coin back and hung it on the grading room wall with a sign that said "The $50,000 Spot" and we told the graders to be really careful when handling copper coins.

1908 $20 St. Gaudens PR63 $45,000, July, 2008. This matte proof Saint had been improperly cleaned or conserved or doctored or whatever you want to call it. We missed the subtle surfaces problems which later became not so subtle as the chemicals used by the "doctor" reacted on the coin.

1963 Lincoln Cent PR70DCAM $40,768, April, 2004. This perfect Lincoln proof later developed a few minor spots. Not really our fault, but it was covered by our grading guarantee.

1849-D gold dollar MS64 $40,000, July, 2008. This was a beautiful, very high grade Dahlonega Mint that unfortunately had a planchet lamination on the rim the broke loose and negatively effected the coin. This was not really a grading mistake, but an unforeseen problem covered by our grading guarantee nonetheless.
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01/10/2014 11:14 pm
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 Posted 01/10/2014  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Post! I did not know that this guarantee existed, so thanks. I trust PCGS a little more now...
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 Posted 01/10/2014  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty cool!
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 Posted 01/10/2014  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"and we told the graders to be really careful when handling copper coins."

I find that comment somewhat disturbing.
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Charles M Larson in his book
'Numismatic Forgery' shows how deceiving some fakes actually are.
This is the reason why ALL big ticket items should be sourced from a well established dealer or auctioneer who has an international reputation to protect, and does so with a guarantee that is always honoured.

Naturally, their fees are always higher.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome article thanks for posting!
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Numbers 4,7,8, and 9 would not be covered under their guarantee if they happened today. Coins that "turn" in the holder after slabbing are no longer covered.

And number 7 that they are now calling a "spot" was actually a fingerprint.
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