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Counterfeit 1795 Dollar ?

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 Posted 07/05/2007  9:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gabi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi. I am super new in this forum. A friend wants me to put this coin on ebay, but I think it is a counterfeit from China. Can anyone please help me. I am not even sure if this is a whole or half dollar. Thanks in advanceI am trying to put a picture in here but I am having no luck. If someone could tell me how to do it that would be great or I can e-mail you a pic
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 Posted 07/06/2007  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While we're waiting, check the CCF information sites on American dollars of 1795. There are two types: flowing hair and draped bust.
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 Posted 07/06/2007  03:08 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are gabi's Pictures

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 Posted 07/06/2007  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely modeled after the dollar, not the half. The base of the neck on the obverse gives that away. Having said that, I think this is a fake. The reverse is just not right.....

But, someone will come along with some more opinions.
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 Posted 07/06/2007  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd concur that it's a fake, and of Chinese origin. The obverse and reverse designs both seem much weaker and flatter than the designs of the real ones displayed on the CCF info pages - though that could just be the lighting.

But for me, the giveaway is the split-top reeding around the coin's edge, as discussed in this thread with a fake coin and this other thread with an apparently genuine one. Here's a crop of your picture, where the telltale "railroad track" reed tops are most visible:

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Split top reeds are a classic symptom of the latest batches of fake coins from China.
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 Posted 07/06/2007  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the coin is fake. There seems to be a lot of porosity or irregular surfaces around the edges that are indicative of casting, the most popular way of couterfeiting silver coins.
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 Posted 07/06/2007  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is NOT authentic. The coin in question was struck with a closed collar as evident by Sap's cropped photo. Coins of this time were struck with open collars.

Below are two excellent informational/educational sites that could be of use when identifying counterfeit or various varieties of Early US Bust Dollars:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/reidg.../page_7.html

http://www.earlydollars.org/index.asp
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 Posted 07/07/2007  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the group that it's fake, but I do feel sorry for the one person in China that has a real early American dollar.
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