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I have an 1899 plain Morgan dollar (I know that this particular date with no mark is worth quite a lot). I bought it for Ms-60 some time ago for a much lower price, but I've realized that only the front is rife with bagmarks. The back is beautiful with few flaws at all, and no noticeable bagmarks; at least 63-64. My question is can coins ever be graded a split way if one side is much nicer than the other? How are they priced if they are? Edited by coinguybrian
07/05/2007 10:34 pm
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the obverse condition has more of an effect on the grade than the reverse, although it wouldnt surprise me if that was the opposite for State Quarters. the final grade is in the middle of the two sides' grades. the value of the coin could be more or less than a typical coin of the same grade. eye appeal plays a big part in determining the value of a coin like that. |
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The reverse grade usually only can adversely affect the overall grade and rarely ever help it. If it helps it, it might be 1/2 a point. I learned this at the ANA Advanced Grading Seminar from the PCGS/NGC graders. |
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They grade both OBV & REV a of a coin to come up with total grade of coin.
unless it one those alphabet service
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I would think that, even though both sides of the coin are theoretically equally important, the obverse is most often the side first viewed and that gives a collector his/her first impression of a coin. That first impression is very important. If you are looking for a particular grade, for example, if the obverse doesn't pass muster, you might not even flip the coin over to see the reverse.
Just some thoughts...
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It is my impression, and practice in my own grading, that the lesser face carries that grade. An MS60 obverse means an MS60 coin, regardless of whether the reverse is 65DMPL or not.
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SuperDave; I agree. I have seen a great 1896 S Barber quarter G+ obverse, and a G- reverse, it was graded AG-3 by NGC. |
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I am not old enough to have first had knowledge, but own a few examples of the old ANACS certs. when they graded both obverse and reverse. I think this is the direction TPGs should shift. Note that they explain/provide a rating on the subjective areas of the overall grade. They certainly gave you your money's worth when submitted. They are forced to "explain" the positive attributes as well as the coin's deficiencies and in theory justify their overall grade. IMO, the reverse is just as important as the obverse and to distribute more graded weight to one side over the other is absurd, ignorant, and a poor way to go about judging a coin.    Edited by Benji
07/06/2007 6:32 pm
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Benji, I agree with you, they should start grading coins like that since your buying the WHOLE coin and not just the obverse or reverse of it. They should grade each side and then put a total grade for it. So the front of the slab will have the total grade, and the back could have each individual grade, etc.
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07/06/2007 7:49 pm
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It looks fine to me.
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07/21/2007 5:17 pm
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Golly. MS62 Obverse, MS65* reverse, and a pretty good strike. You weren't lying. Unfortunately, that doesn't change the reality, especially since the obverse is the bad side. It *might* see MS63 in a slab.
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"My question is can coins ever be graded a split way if one side is much nicer than the other? How are they priced if they are?"
Yes they can and yes they have done it that way--for decades. What's more they should also be able to tell you how much weight they gave the coin for each factor and for each side *on a slab* using abbrevations. OBSK2=Obverse strike 2 or average. Why is that so hard? If they grade the coin at all then they must have reasons as to how they got to the grade in the first place. That information would not exist if we did not submit the coin in the first place. Who are they to deny us information we paid for.
Benji I have some certs like that. That was their "Last Hurrah" cert. before slabs. That's exactly what I'm talking about. There is no reason they can't do that with slabs. The letters would just have be smaller and they'd have to use abbreviations on both sides.
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07/21/2007 7:46 pm
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If you don't want the coin,I would be glad to take it off your hands. It's one that I am missing from my Morgan set.
Sounds like a great coin.
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I'm not really willing to part with it now, because it's collected a lot of value in the last five years and likely will just go up further. But thanks for the feedback, everyone.
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Posted 07/05/2007 10:33 pm
better $1 obverse.jpg
$1 reverse.jpg
