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Bedrock of the Community
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Bedrock of the Community
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Havent they always been a crack out artist and famous for selling problem coins raw?
Maybe I just assumed thats what they were doing
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like the same to me. I was "blocked" from GS on ebay for correcting some of their listings. Perhaps that was a good thing. I used to look at GS coins on ebay and wonder if I could get back on their good side...not anymore. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great find, I just dumped them off my mailing list. nlp
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We have to be careful about these accusations. Although these are clearly the same coin, what is not clear - no solid evidence whatsoever - is that GSC was the buyer of the Heritage coin. That's a quick route to a slander lawsuit.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 A coin can pass through a couple hands in 8+ months, it is difficult to make a connection after that much time has elapsed. When you see a coin sold at auction one month and it is cracked out and listed on ebay the next month, the connection is much more substantial. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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We have to be careful about these accusations. Although these are clearly the same coin, what is not clear - no solid evidence whatsoever - is that GSC was the buyer of the Heritage coin. That's a quick route to a slander lawsuit. I'm sorry, if you want to be a national rare coin dealer and ebay "top rated seller" IGNORANCE is no excuse. If this forum can determine that the coin is a crack out, then so should they be able to. " Their " reputation is on the line. A little due diligence should be expected on their part (from any buyer), not a (purposely?) blind eye. They should not be let off the hook. If they were not the original crack out artist, then they should, at the very least, be exposed as a "wannabe" national rare and classic coin dealer, that is incapable or unwilling to recognize a coin that has been improperly cleaned. Edited by denco7
01/17/2014 12:30 pm
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Quote:I'm sorry, if you want to be a national rare coin dealer and ebay "top rated seller" IGNORANCE is no excuse. If this forum can determine that the coin is a crack out, then so should they be able to. " Their " reputation is on the line. A little due diligence should be expected on their part (from any buyer), not a (purposely?) blind eye. They should not be let off the hook. If they were not the original crack out artist, then they should, at the very least, be exposed as a "wannabe" national rare and classic coin dealer, that is incapable or unwilling to recognize a coin that has been improperly cleaned. I'm not arguing any of that, just protecting my forum from possibly-actionable statements that will force me to limit the (deserved) publicity this kind of activity is getting. Nothing you said above falls under that consideration, but directly accusing the seller of being the crackout artist sure does. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree there's no proof GSC was the buyer of the Heritage coin. It's just that GSC's reputation won't get them the benefit of the doubt. Circumstantial evidence alone makes it tough to win criminal cases but this is a potential civil infraction where proof isn't needed. Find a few more of these "issues" and they'd be found guilty based on a preponderance of circumstantial evidence. Of course it never goes that far. GSC simply takes the return and pays a full refund including return postage and keeps on keepin' on.
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This thread has been read 200+ times here and who knows how many times on the other forum that was linked...
All I can say is it's clear it's the same coin... They listed the coin as BU++... this alone would make me not want to buy from them. I'm sure they have people on staff that can tell if a coin has been cleaned... so they either ignored the details.. or they're unable to accurately grade and describe a coin.. either way.. I know I am not going to buy from them...
So sure if they cracked this one and re-sold later for a $400 profit.. great for them...they made rent that month... But I'm never going to buy from them after seeing this... I'm sure there's a few others that wont either... does that make for a net gain or profit?
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Circumstantial evidence alone makes it tough to win criminal cases but this is a potential civil infraction where proof isn't needed. Here's the rub, though: Any "infraction" would have all evidence based upon what the TPG's take great pains to legally define as a "subjective" judgment. They have a vested interest in not being legally held to their opinions, on the off chance that down the road someone will object to one of those opinions and litigate. In fact, I wouldn't be floored if something like this some day reaches court, and the TPG involved files a "friend of the court" brief supporting the defendant. Their justifications are in congruence. That's the ugly-but-true side of crackouts. |
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Posted 01/17/2014 01:15 am
