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1881 3 Cent Nickel 7070 Upgrade. You Vs. PCGS.

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This could be a might tricky.
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 Posted 01/22/2014  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ohhh... I'll say MS63
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My gut - and the denticles - suggest to me that this might be a Proof. If so, it's probably about PR63-ish, a little nicked-up.
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isn't the hair detail in the strike too weak for a proof or is it that nickel was such a difficult metal to strike that my question goes out the window?

If it made MS with those nicks on the reverse than that further proves my inability to figure the TPG services out. I would bet money Dave is right and not because I know a proof from a AU 3 cent nickel but because he knows his stuff. That having been said, I will say MS62
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I'll be really surprised if this isn't a proof. Beautiful coin!

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MS-63?
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No one has guessed it yet...keep on trying. :-) It is in a problem free slab.
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I had originally thought it was a business strike and graded AU-58 but I think SsuperDdave may be right about it being a proof since the strike appears sharp and the fields sort of look reflective. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what PCGS called it.
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PR64 looks like a proof to me from the rims, not as cameoed as I've seen and the few ticks probably keep it from a 65 grade.
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Oh wow! The rims scream proof so I have to say proof. I would wager PR64.
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My first thought was MS-64, but as others have mentioned it does look like it could be a proof.

Either way, it is a amazing.
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I think Johnny "Countdown" is sneaking something in on us!! You sandbagger, you!

I'm seeing a sweet PF-64.
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 Posted 01/23/2014  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The rims scream proof

I've heard this about proofs and rims, but don't understand it. Anyone care to help me?
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The 3cn have notoriously bad strikes in the business strikes and you will often see clashes, off center strikes, weak denticles, cracked dies. The denticles in the rims are a good indicator - if they are nice and clean, more likely it is a proof. This was the first coin the mint struck using nickle and with the harder metal, it was a big learning curve. You may see a MS coin with hair that is not fully defined or a III with all the lines.

The caveot is there are MS coins with nice denticles so it starts to become a judgement call. For me, the rims, the hair and I think maybe a little cameo point to proof. But then again Johnny Countdown may be up to something...and if he is, I am sure it will be interesting!

(if I have misstated something, please correct me!)
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Proof 66 cameo
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haha. no one has it yet. I like how the grades keep climbing though. :-) . Ok, this is an interesting piece. You guys are right about the proof part. PCGS graded it PR-58. I knew it would be tricky, since that isn't a grade normally encountered. Some of the nicks referred to are due to the coins brief stint in circulation, and a slight bit of wear on the high points. This was a nice cheap way to add a proof to my type set, for $145.
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