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New Member
United States
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Hi there! I'm new to this forum, and I'm not really a coin collector. Although, I do like to collect certain coins and notes that look different from others. Not quite sure if this is the forum I should ask this in. but I came across this one coin that I thought looked neat! I'm just doing some research about what I have. So far I found out that it is a 1863 civil war token and that is all I really know about it. I would love to know more about this coin. I was wondering if anyone can tell me a little more information about this? It has some dark spots on it and I also want to ask how I can possible clean it up without harming it. I included a picture.   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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Moderator
 United States
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I have moved your thread to the Token section, because you have a Civil War Store Card Token.  |
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New Member
 United States
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Moderator
United States
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my book is at home, so I can't tell you which dies those are, but I believe the Broas Brothers Pie Baker's only used a few versions. you are  |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Moderator
United States
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FYI - those dies are:
obverse (1st image) = NY-630-M
reverse (2nd image) = 1061
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New Member
United States
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Awesome! I did a little more digging. It is a broas pie baker 1863 token, not quite sure how rare it is though.it also has a cracked die I'm assuming due to the lines that are going through it. Does that make the coin more rare? Can anyone also tell me a good way to possibly clean it up? Or would that damage it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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vinex1985, to the CCF. There are several known CW tokens w/ die cracks. Some have a LOT of cracks like the Broas Bros, token you have & the Benjamin & Herrick, and many have lesser cracked die lines. I collect CW tokens almost exclusively now and have several in my collection. I like these tokens because there were many different types of mistakes, die cracks, re-punched letter, etc... that you just don't see on US type coins. And they tell a story that other coins don't. Check out this link, devoted entirely to CW tokens.. I think you'll like it https://goccf.com/t/108866 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No one has addressed the OP's cleaning question. Unless you have experience in conserving copper coinage my best advice would be to leave it alone. Many, many copper pieces have their value as collectables severely reduced by failed attempts to "improve" their look. We actually like the old surfaces.
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New Member
United States
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Thanks penny guy! I heard the same thing from a couple of friends. I guess I'll just leave it the way it is. I think its in fairly good condition aside from the black spots. Any ideas to why it has them? And whats a good way to preserve it?
And thank you Dave for the thread link. I didn't know there were so many different cw tokens. I looked through them and there are so many of them. I saw your Benjamin and Herrick coin. It looks like a similar die. I still consider myself lucky for finding this one though. :) thank you!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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What you're seeing on the one country side is an extremely heavy die clash you can tell as it is the reverse image of the other side.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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vinex1985: More than likely those pesky black spots are corrosion of some sort. Perhaps at some point in the past 150 years someone coughed or sneezed within range of the coin. That's all it would take, well that and 150 years.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's all it would take, well that and 150 years  Anyways,  w/ Bill's assessment about the black spots likely being corrosion. Corrosion & verdigris are fairly common on copper coins & tokens that old. Upon closer look, I would say that the token was cleaned by someone long ago... it just has that look about it... |
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It sure looks like the OP's coin is severely clashed on the reverse (the feathers are what you are seeing on the reverse)which in turn caused the serious die crack/break on the obverse. I would not clean it, some forehead grease might make it look a little better but it won't remove the mold/corrosion/possible pvc damage or whatever it is. I am not sure if acetone is acceptable for copper coins ( I just read on one forum it is not advised), but that is how they remove PVC from silver coins. You can buy verdigris remover online if that is what it is but if it pitted under the black spots the pitting will always be there even after it is conserved. My best guess is that it is black mold and it is really hard to remove from a coin but can be done. Just look up how to conserve a copper coin on this forum and the internet, make sure to read a lot before trying it and try it on a test coin you don't care about first.
That link Dave H. provided is awesome!!
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New Member
United States
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Thanks for your input everyone! If it's to preserve the copper and the value, I don't think I'm going to do anything with it myself (can't quite trust myself yet) I'll bring it over to my local antique coin dealer and see if they can offer anything to spruce it up. I got really excited when I found this one and I really wanted to know a little more about it. It's such a cool part of American history. The fact that there was a die crack makes it even cooler. Definitely plan to keep it with me for a while.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I actually believe it's a NY630M-6a and is a R-3
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