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Morgan Dollars Just Arrived From Canada: Two CC's

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 Posted 01/27/2014  08:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add marbury518 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just bought this group, a couple are graded.....any comments on how you think the CC's might slab....and which TPG might be best to send them. Thanks, marbury




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 Posted 01/27/2014  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The ones in the close up look to be at least MS-63 with a good shot at MS-64. As for the TPG, I would send them to PCGS. If you are looking for VAMs, then I would send them to ANACS.
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01/27/2014 09:01 am
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 Posted 01/27/2014  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice, I'm jealous. Is that a 63 and a 60 in the ICCS flips?
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 Posted 01/27/2014  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marbury518 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64 and MS60.........Wasn't expecting any to arrive graded.......I can't see any desirable dates or MM so perhaps they ought to go to ANACS for VAM ID.....prices on e-bay look like I won't make much on any sale and the CC look low values really...nice to have though.
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Those are some excellent looking coins! I would try to attribute them yourself first. Then get the ones that are worthy of grading graded, some might be worth sending to PCGS if they are rare VAMs that they attribute. CC Morgans are pretty easy to attribute. I would start with the 1882-CC http://www.vamworld.com/1882-CC+VAMs

There are only 21 different VAMs for the 1882-CC and many of them are hit list 40 VAMs that I believe PCGS will attribute.

If you have a jewelers loop you should be able to figure them all out before you send them in, that will save you on research fees. Let us know if you need any help with attributing them.

By the way, it looks like you might have a clashed n on the 1882-CC, possibly VAM 3A or 3B,
http://www.vamworld.com/1882-CC+VAM-3A
http://www.vamworld.com/1882-CC+VAM-3B
There are subtle differences between the two that you will notice if you study the pages, one die pair is a later die state than the other pairing.

Unfortuneatly those 2 VAMs are not Hit List coins so PCGS will not attribute them. You still have 12 more to attribute though and like I said they should be easy enough to identify on the VAMworld website since they are all MS or close to it, I hope you find at least a few rare ones in the bunch.

Kris
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7TF....I know v little about Morgans, had a look under a loupe and yes...under the N of in God we trust, there is a long vertical line and a short line. Long line to left and short to right. But think you said PCGS wouldn't attribute.
Who should I ask to attribute if worth it?
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Well we need to figure out exactly what VAM you have so you can determine the value for yourself by searching completed listings on ebay and other sources. The VAM 3A and 3B are very similar but there are ways to tell them apart. The 3A has 2 clash lines coming out of the neck as shown at the top of this page. http://www.vamworld.com/1882-CC+VAM-3A

VAM 3B has 3 shorter clash lines coming out of the neck. As shown at the top of this page. http://www.vamworld.com/1882-CC+VAM-3B

If neither of these 2 VAMs match your coin perfectly then we need to keep looking through the list.

If one of them does then it can't be attributed at PCGS because it is not a List coin.

Anacs, however will attribute all VAMs.

I should note that even with the VAM attributed on the ANACS holder it might not bring as much as it would in a PCGS holder. There are lots of factors to think about. It is also good to have an idea of the grade before sending it in. You don't want to waste money on grading if there is any chance it could come back with a genuine holder because of cleaning, or PVC, etc.. I am not saying any of your coins have PVC and they don't look cleaned but you really should know how to tell these things before you spend $50 or more on a coin to get it graded at a TPG.

You can check out this PCGS link to view what each grade looks like, some years are graded differently like most of the O mints sometimes have weak struck breast feathers & cotton bolls that make it look worn when it was just struck that way (but you don't have to worry about that until you are ready to grade an O mint coin). http://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Morgan/Grades

This site explains some of the points to focus on when grading Morgans. http://coins.about.com/od/coingradi...n-Dollar.htm
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VAM 3A......the two die clashes are coming out of the neck.....shorter one above, longer below. is this common?
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Congratulations on your first attribution!

Any Morgan with attributes like clashed letters are not considered common but there are other factors that make some rarer than others. For instance a Clashed E from LIBERTY on the reverse is much more valuable than a lightly clashed In of In God We Trust on the obv.. Here is what a clashed E looks like in case you are wondering what I am talking about. http://www.vamworld.com/1889-O+VAM-1A2 This VAM also has several other clashed letters. Don't get me wrong there are many other things that affect the value. I would be typing all day if I tried to explain them all. Some of which are scarcity, grade, etc..

Now if it was a really strong In clash it might be different. Take this one for instance. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1880-MORGAN...047675.l2557
It carries over a $200 premium in this grade over a non attributed MS62 1880-P
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1880-P-Morg...em3a8701ecc7

A 1882-CC VAM 3A in my opinion would be worth about $300 in MS63. I could be wrong but it is in the ball park. Here is one that sold on ebay for $475 but it is DMPL coin and that adds a good amount to the value itself. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1882-CC-Mor...em2ecb6e868a

Here is an 1882-CC VAM 3A that is graded by NGC as MS62 no attribution on the holder but it was called out in the auction so buyers were able to search for it. The coin has a harsh toning on the reverse which would affect the value for some. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1882-CC-Mor...em3f2e6bd009

This is how I based the value at $300. It is just an educated guess assuming your coin is somewhere around the MS62 - MS63 grade. The VAM adds little value in this case in my opinion. Maybe an added $25-$50 over the price it would sell for unattributed if someone was looking for it to fill a set.
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The VAM 3A DMPL that I linked to http://www.ebay.com/itm/1882-CC-Mor...em2ecb6e868a Might actually be a VAM 3B because after looking at it closer I don't think the seller attributed it correctly. Just thought I should point that out, and it might actually be a little bit rarer than the 3A but I still stand behind the value of the 3A in MS63 being worth in the ball park of $300.

If you have a list of all the coins we can help you determine which coins are easiest to attribute. Basically the less VAMs listed for a specific date the easier it will be to attribute them.

I have to do some other stuff but I will check back later tonight if you have any others you want to try and attribute. I notice you show (2) 1884-CC coins, they should both be fairly easy to attribute.

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The third coin has a clash on the wing, nice find, not sure what VAM it is though.
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The clash is under the N of IN.
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Thanks Kris.....the two 1884's are just one and the same coin with extra scans. I contacted VSS but as I live in the UK they were all too candid with customs issues, etc so a non starter in sending them over.
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I understand why, you don't want to get stuck with a bunch of custom fees and you certainly would have to pay some. I am not sure how much but when you have coins valued more than $50 I think it can get pretty pricey. Does the UK have any grading/attributing services you can use?
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We do but utterly stupid prices and no international recognition, so I don't bother. ANACS seem to be the most competitive but think they might be seeking to inject a more conservative rep of late and have been very harsh on coins I sent to them.
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Check the 1884 CC for a VAM 7.
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