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1921 Morgan: Any VAM?

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I am posting all the Morgan's arrived separately...would take an age to optimise for one post. Sorry if this is a pain, just that I know nothing about VAMs.



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This is going to be a tough one because there are hundreds of VAMs listed for 1921. The first thinkg to do is figure out if it is a D1 (17 berry) reverse or D2 (16 berry) reverse.

http://www.vamworld.com/17+Berry+Reverse

http://www.vamworld.com/16+Berry+Reverse

Then comes the complicated part of figuring out exactly which VAM it is.

http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAMs
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The D1/D2 differentiation is pretty easy when you concentrate on the eagle's right talon instead of trying to see a very tiny 17th berry - this one's a D2. The "lump" on the olive branch next to the talon - and the fact that the top arrow fletch doesn't reach the talon - is proof. Beyond that, there is nothing in the way of a "smoking gun" attribute so from here the task involves serious magnification and a study of the whole coin, millimeter by millimeter.

And once you have all the relevant features identified, there's no guarantee you'll be able to find enough extant information to achieve an attribution with it. Attribution is sometimes not for the faint of heart, and this coin is good evidence of that.
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Dawning on me that without experience attribution would be a mammoth task and the time taken would far exceed any financial gain upon sale...shame.
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We are here to help but without very good close ups it will be impossible for many VAMs to be attributed. I would suggest taking the time to read the Attribution 101 on the VAMworld site to help you understand a little more about what is going on. If any of it confuses you just skip over it and keep reading. At first I was completely lost. I took me over a year to start to really understand them. Now I can't get enough of these things.

I would suggest putting this one away until you really know what to look for or get a really good camera that can take closeup pictures. A lot of 1921 attributions are done with minute details like scribbling scratches (which I am sure you are thinking, what is that?)

I would focus on your CC coins first. They will all be easy to attribute.
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The time you spend learning to attribute can be a pain, but as soon as you find a really rare VAM you will understand why people do it. You want to check every single Morgan and Peace dollar you get just to know what you have. It would be a waste of money to pay to have them all graded and attributed because, say you sent in the 1921 for grading and attributing and pay for the research it is going to cost around $50 or more and some 1921 Morgan VAMs even in MS63 will not sell for much more than you paid to have them graded if even that much. Your group of coins is something that many VAMmers would be thrilled to attribute, if anything just for the knowledge. When you get good at it then you can just do it for fun and the thrill of the hunt!
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Is the VSS service not a good idea for someone like me then learn backwards.....find out what I have and learn why I have what I have....6 bucks doesn't seem much and if I get 63's and 64's from NGC I wouldn't make much anyway....if I have a rare VAM I might or I might like to keep them for their own sake.......tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree.
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VSS is a good choice. I thought you were talking about grading and attributing.

I was just trying to help you understand how to attribute them yourself. I understand with little knowledge it is not as easy as I am trying to make it out to be.

I wish you the best of luck with your coins and I will help you if you have any questions.

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Thanks Kris.........looks like I have a 1882 CC 3A.....my coin fits both of your identifiers for the n and the neck.
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Is the VSS service not a good idea for someone like me then learn backwards.....find out what I have and learn why I have what I have....6 bucks doesn't seem much and if I get 63's and 64's from NGC I wouldn't make much anyway....if I have a rare VAM I might or I might like to keep them for their own sake.......tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree.


VSS is a pretty good choice for your specific usage (disclaimer - he's a friend) but I'm unsure you'd get value for your money to learn about the attribution process. Attribution isn't difficult to learn, intellectually, and the thing that most people lose track of is the attributes must match precisely.

The lack of available information is far more problematic than any other part of the process.
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