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Valued Member
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I'm fairly good (fairly) at identifying VAMs on Morgans, but this one has me stumped. Wondering if there's any VAM experts out there. This coin has something I've not personally seen before (personally, me, I); the 0 (zero) in the date appears to have a flat top, for a lack of better terms. It is not PMD. It left the Philly Mint in 1880 that way. Other attributes of/on this piece are extensive pitting around certain letters (and above the eye/eyelash area), as well as letter/number doubling. Which may or may not have been capture well. "Darn it, Jim, I'm a coin collector, not a photographer."  I cannot find this anywhere; and the 1880-P has an extensive list of VAMs. My question (hope) is that after several days of working on this that someone may be able to help identify it, or at least help point me in the right direction of where to further look (specific IDs). If there are more photos of specific areas needed, let me know and I will take them and post them. Much appreciated, hanks.         |
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You'll note we have an entire subforum dedicated to VAMming; I've moved this thread there.  Quote:It is not PMD. It left the Philly Mint in 1880 that way. I disagree. The impact came from about 1:00, headed towards 7:00; you can even see the displaced metal from it. I'm guessing you've already ruled out the 8/7's. I think I see doubling in at least the 8's, to the north, which should narrow it down quite a bit if that's true because most date doubling for thihs issue is south. |
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Rest in Peace
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As I'm sure you know, 1880 P is all about the date digits. You'll need to determine if it's an over date or which date digits are doubled. Unfortunately, CCF's image optimizer has apparently downsized your images to the point that when I enlarge them the image clarity is gone. Posting larger images of the date digits might help, but you really need to use a good strong loupe and study the date digits to figure out what is going on and use the sort by obverse on VAMworld to narrow the possibilities down somewhat.
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Hi Dave, Thanks for responding. (Admin. moved this post, rightfully, as I posted in the wrong place. Not sure how the typos all occurred in the transition, but that my OCD problem. lol) Anyway, yes, I have ruled out all 8/7. I, however, very respectfully, disagree with your disagreement. It may appear in my lack-luster photography to be PMD on the 0, the shadowing/outline, whatever one to chooses to call it remains under the loupe. Which, in my understanding, would not if it were damaged afterward. Again, that is just my understanding. And I think if the shadowing (my term) were not there, I would agree with your assessment 100000% about the zero. But please do, if I have been wrong about PMD on this sort of thing, correct me. Cheers. |
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Quote:But please do, if I have been wrong about PMD on this sort of thing, correct me. The images are small; I'm quite prepared to change my estimate of that feature in the presence of better evidence. If your original images are much larger, you might perhaps want to host them offsite and link in instead of using CCF's Optimizer, which requires a bit of a touch in postprocessing to enable large-image posting. The key is filesize, not image size in pixels - if you can reduce Quality to get a larger image down to 100kb (it's possible), you can post them much larger. |
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Here are some more photos of the date. Taken from four different angle. Hopefully a better quality -- less the first which shrunk WAY too much. The first 8, lower left lower loop is PMD. Upon a closer look, I am now sold on that the top of the 0 is also PMD. I cannot see an 8/7 here. Thanks.     |
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....and I'm now backing up my words by revising my opinion. VAM-18, I think. The 0 tells it. However, I'm in a hurry, about to head out to work, and haven't looked at all the possibilities at VAMworld. Have a look at the ones mentioning date doubling whose number is higher than 20 (where I left off) to see if those unique "ears" on the top of the 0 are represented elsewhere.
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And here we have, what I believe, strongly ;-), is a doubled ear... Thanks, Dave. I missed lining up the VAM-18 at least (minimum) 4 or 5 times.  |
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