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Talk about pure luck. I had just found a 1998-P WAM and put it in a 2x2 when I looked at the next cent and found this 2004-P 1DR-001/1DO-001 cent. It'll probably take me a month to find the next something...


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 Posted 02/05/2014  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet! I have that on my spreadsheet of Doubled Dies to find. Very nice.
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 Posted 02/05/2014  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
George: I don't know if you've realized this or not, but your coin has a very nice die state? Possibly a EDS. Fantastic find!
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 Posted 02/05/2014  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sudz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop (or anybody that wishes to chime in), at the risk of showing my ignorance, would you mind educating me as to what the significance of an EDS die state is in terms of the worth of a coin? Is it because the features are clearer thus making the coin more desirable? I need a lot of work with regards to die states... Obviously.

Thanks!
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Most all grading companies consider the looks of the coin, but not the die state of the coin. Some (Anacs) have marked the stage of the coin if you send them the designation. But to a real collector of varieties, the EDS coins are the best to have. It shows all of the hub doubling that WAS on the die when it is new. In the LDS/VLDS die states, the devices become mushy, die flow is seen coming from the outer edge of devices facing the rim. The 1950's cent that were so over used show the "so called" poor man's doubled die but is really very heavy die wear. The devices start to suffer terribly.
On your coin, look at the area between the outside devices and the rim. Not how smooth that field is. True some coins may be smooth also because of die abrasion. But on your coin the devices look very crisp. Something that is very desirable.
Here are a few images of die states:
Note the area left side of the "L"
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note how the left side of the devices on the MDS is still crisp. In the two later die states, you see the field area starting to snow drift so you no longer see the difference of where the field ends and the edges of the devices.

On the reverse images, note how the same affect is happening on the outside devices. Where the fields and device meet.
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Some dies were made from really worn dies. Here are a few examples:
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So be glad you found a very nice die state. They take great micro images.
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 Posted 02/05/2014  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sudz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, Professor Cooper, that was awesome! I can't thank you enough for taking the time to help me understand that which was so unclear to me. I am sure that I speak for many here at CCF when I say: You, sir, are a Rock Star!
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 Posted 02/05/2014  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coop: coppercoins.com has an MDS but no EDS. Do you think they might be interested in looking at this one?
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Nice find
good lesson
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Doc: The coin is not mine on the 1982. It was posted here a couple of years back by Sandra. Some of the images I saved go back over 10 years ago. I figure if I don't save them, I'd kick myself later for NOT saving them.
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Sorry for not being clear. I meant: Do you think they would be interested in the 2004 sudz posted?
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They might be. If there are new markers that would help identify that die state. But they are busy now with the new site software they are working on. So later on you migh ask George? Like when you find a new discovery die variety.
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Thanks for the lesson coop.. It was a subject I was kinda getting confused about in certain areas but you definetly cleared quite a few things up for me in the above posts.. You are definetly an asset to this site sir. Every day I spend on here looking around I realize how much more I need to learn.. Just wanted to say thanks.
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