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New Member
Spain
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Dear Folks, Greetings to everybody, this is my first topic in this forum. Recently I have found this beautiful piece in a numismatic market: - Weight: 26,7 gr. - Diameter: 38,20 mm - Thickness: 2,44 mm What do you think about its authenticity? Thank you in advance for your feedback!    |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Welcome here Lohengrin ! More pictures about that coin on the topic in spanish on Numismatica General (for those who don't know it, it's a very friendly Spanish coin forum with a nice colonial section - I'm admin there) http://www.numismaticageneral.com/t...dero-o-falso ;) It will he interesting to have other opinions :) |
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New Member
 Spain
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Dear Mathieu, nice to meet you here! This World is so small ;)
I am curious to know what our friends say at the other side of the pool.
Many greetings!
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Pillar of the Community
France
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I'm curious as well - I usually post coins here when I'm unsure but didn't took time. Let's wait for inputs :)  Edited by MathieuMa
02/08/2014 11:29 am
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Spain
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Valued Member
Canada
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small world indeed  I would say 99% authentic. |
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New Member
Spain
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Howest, thanks a lot for your reply :)
Your opinion is based on 1) yesterday pictures or 2) the microscope images uploaded right now? (I don't know if they were ready to see them by now).
For example, please look at the field between the 7 and 6 on "1765": is this not a very common mark on foundation works?
All the best,
Edited by Lohengrin
02/09/2014 05:43 am
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Valued Member
Canada
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I would say 99% authentic 1% shenanigans.It's not an over-date or mint-state coin so depending on what you paid for it... |
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New Member
Spain
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Thanks Howest, I didn't buy it yet.
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New Member
Spain
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...And no need to say that other experts on pillar dollars, are also very welcome to give their opinion about this beautiful coin ;) Thanks a lot!
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New Member
Spain
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Can everybody see correctly the pictures taken from the microscope? Thank you.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Swamperbob, are you around ? :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I can see them fine, nice to have photos of such magnification and quality.
The experts will tell you, but that coin looks real to me, but I have no expertise in such things.
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New Member
Spain
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Mathieu, I guess Swamperbob is an authority in this field. I hope he can help us and you too ;)
Paxbrit, thanks a lot for your remark!
Edited by Lohengrin
02/12/2014 07:54 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Lohengrin Welcome. As Mathieu knows the best way to get my comment is to write to me and link the site. I am quite busy with my ebay work and my book projects. I think that a risk assessment is always a good approach with coins that are fairly common. I also use the "aggregate of clues" method in making evaluations of authenticity. The Pillar Dollar is quite rare as a Class 1 Contemporary Counterfeit and most of the early exemplars are cast as opposed to die strikes. So off hand I will rule out a Class 1 counterfeit. Too bad they are worth more than genuine coins of this grade and date. So the alternative reduce quickly to Numismatic forgery and genuine. Your pictures help a lot in this regard. You did tend to focus a lot on post strike damage (dents and dings in the coin.) These recessed (incuse) features are far less telling than the raised metal bits that are not part of the basic design. What I see are normal tiny lumps and bumps that are normal for Pillar and very early Portrait 8Rs. They would be warning signs later in the portrait era at Mexico City. In all likelihood there is little chance that this coin is a counterfeit. I see nothing wrong.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Thanks for coming Swamperbob :)
I first had doubt because of the strange patina, then thought OK with the details and the rim, and then got doubts with the close-ups - particularly the Carolus O which was not looking well defined and had some extra metal.
But as I told you in my message ... I've not seen enough of those zoomed like that to figure out what's normal, for which date.
Thanks again for checking it out :)
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