This is a long and grueling read. If you bother reading it at all, you have to start at the bottom and work your way all the way up to what I'm writing right here in order to keep it in the proper perspective. (I'm guessing this goof-ball polished away the date on the 1913-S T2 Buffalo nickel I sold him in October, 2012!!)
Dear buffaloreincarnations,
No these weren't coins you sold me-I not going to mess with the boss-i might of used a light polisher-tried it on the 1913 T1-only worth a nickel now-2001 huh-OK-Just doing a little research-No Biggy-Happy eBaying-Have a good One
- jump-n-trout
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From: buffaloreincarnations
To: jump-n-trout
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 17:16:24 PST
Dear jump-n-trout,
I don't know what else I can say. I've offered you information, I've offered you advice and I've offered to refund you on a coin you bought from me 17 months ago.
There is absolutely nothing "new-found" about what I'm doing. I've been doing it since November of 2001. If the dates and the details could be rubbed off with just your fingers our fellow eBayers would have tarred and feathered me long ago.
- buffaloreincarnations
From: jump-n-trout
To: buffaloreincarnations
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 15:19:14 PST
Dear buffaloreincarnations,
What's really messed up about these reconditioned nickels is that the area that's raised up-the detailed lines of features, letters and the date can be literally rubbed off between your fingers once the coin has dried out-that's messed up-5 and tens years from now these coins will be JUNK-enjoy your new found acid reincarnation while the going's good-like they say-there's a sucker born every minute-and there's always a fool that has money to spend.
- jump-n-trout
From: buffaloreincarnations
To: jump-n-trout
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 13:14:31 PST
Dear jump-n-trout,
Andy Korovesis -
ebay ID "anjkoro". I know him....
Old Tarn-X should be fine as long as you don't leave it in over 30 seconds. If the first dip doesn't remove it all, rinse it and do it again. It shouldn't require more than 2.
My offer for a refund will continue to stand if you should find that the problem is anything other than tarnish\toning.
Steve
- buffaloreincarnations
From: jump-n-trout
To: buffaloreincarnations
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 10:18:32 PST
Dear buffaloreincarnations,
Yes, You are correct-I checked and bought them from an Andy Korovesis from Schaumburg IL-My 1913 T2 is actually the lightest of them all-My air is very dry here-If I spit on it I can see the date better but the features of the indian and buffalo are very light-no buffalo horn-My 13-S T1, 14-D, 15-S, 21-S have a rougher surface which makes the date harder to see-but again I as wondering if they was a way to recondition them-they all look better when they are wet. I have some Tarn-X I will try but it is old and sure if it's good-thnx for Your time.
- jump-n-trout
From: buffaloreincarnations
To: jump-n-trout
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 09:37:45 PST
Dear jump-n-trout,
Hi again. I know that you didn't ask for a refund, but I take this stuff pretty seriously. If I'm putting coins out into the world that are legitimately deteriorating I want to know about it and if something like that happened to you, then you DESERVE a refund.
The only other thing I want to mention is that I see where you bought a 1913-S T2 from me on 10-13-2012 (item number
150913484295), but I can find no record of any other purchases going all the way back to February of 2012. Are you sure all your restored nickel purchases were from me...?
Keep one other thing in mind as you look at these coins from different angles: I don't know how high the digits in the date WERE above the field around them when the coin was first minted, but for the sake of argument, let's say they were raised 100 micrometers above the surrounding field. My restoration process does NOT bring them back anywhere near that original height. At best they might be 20 or 25% of that original height. So, if you're looking at an angle across the surface of the coin for a "bump" where the date ought to be, you might not even see it.
I'm not suggesting you do this, but if you "pushed" the point of a toothpick up to the date on a coin with an original date, it would be stopped by the date. If you pushed it up to the date on a restoration, it would probably ride up and over the date because the date is so low.
Anyway - please let me know what happens when you dip the coin.
Thanks
Steve
- buffaloreincarnations
From: jump-n-trout
To: buffaloreincarnations
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 08:46:03 PST
Dear buffaloreincarnations,
I wasn't trying to get a refund, just wondered if there was a way to recondition them again-I will try a dip-The 2 by 2 cardboards are not airtight anyway but I'm sure they do help keep humidity out-yes I put them in a coin folder-I originally bought a whole set in a folder cheaper because it was missing key dates-so I bought the key dates from You to fill the holes-I recently bought another set that was really dark and pulled the old set out of storage with Yours and compared them to keep the best ones-and had a hard time reading the dates unless You hold them sideways with a powerful magnifier-I know they were not like that when I bought them-I will try a dip.
- jump-n-trout
From: buffaloreincarnations
To: jump-n-trout
Subject: Re: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-09-14 08:31:37 PST
Dear jump-n-trout,
Hello and thanks for writing. Where have you been keeping the 5 coins you mentioned? Are they still in the original cardboard 2x2's I sent them in or did you transfer them to an album or perhaps some other container? The reason I ask is that the physical condition of the coins should not have deteriorated unless they're sliding against other coins or rough surfaces. The ONLY thing that should ever potentially happen to the coins if they're handled properly is that they may "tone" or tarnish. Due to the fact that the original surface has been altered (by me) they are sensitive to humidity - which could make them tone or tarnish. Please do me a favor and give them a 30 second dip in jewelry cleaner or some sort of silverware cleaner (like Tarn-X - available in
Wal-mart and other places) and I'll bet they go right back to the way they looked when you purchased them from me. Be sure to rinse thoroughly in clean water and pat dry with a terry cloth towel.
What I just described to you was the last step I employed on the coins before sending them to you, so please don't think I'm asking you to do anything to the coins that hasn't already been done before.
If this doesn't fix the problem (and my experience is that the toning does not come back a second time if kept in low humidity) I'll buy 'em back from you - providing they have not been damaged by handling. I keep every last photo I've ever posted on
ebay, so it will be an easy matter for me to compare them NOW to what they looked like THEN.
Sound fair?
Steve
- buffaloreincarnations
From: jump-n-trout
To: buffaloreincarnations
Subject: Details about item: jump-n-trout sent a message about Key Date! 1913 S Type 2
Buffalo nickel with a Full Horn #
151223351026Sent Date: Feb-08-14 19:37:44 PST
Dear buffaloreincarnations,
I see You still have a stockpile of key dates-The 5 I bought from you about a Year ago including this one now look pretty sad-they have oxided or something and are just dark with almost no features-you have to turn them sideways and use a magnifying glass-not like You see a date on a regular nickel-Have You changed Your chemicals or is it still the same?
- jump-n-trout
Posted 02/09/2014 9:42 pm
He doesn't sound like a very knowledgeable collector spitting on his coins.
