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Another Coin A $3 Gold Piece For You To Grade And Discuss

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 Posted 07/12/2007  04:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add michael to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
okie please grade this coin as best as you can from this fair



and please comment on it with regards to any opinions you wish to share
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07/30/2007 8:26 pm
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 Posted 07/12/2007  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alkoz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Id say MS64/65
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 Posted 07/12/2007  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS65
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 Posted 07/12/2007  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the pictures I see nothing that would take this coin below MS-65. It is remarkably free of bag marks, etc. for a gold coin of this, or any, era. Stunning example of the numismatic arts, I should say.
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 Posted 07/12/2007  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FroDaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow PCGS online price sheet lists this at $43,000 in MS65. Am I seeing this correctly?
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 Posted 07/12/2007  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since 1993, no MS65's have come up for auction on heritage. In fact, only a handful of MS64's have come up. The most recent, an MS63...Three Dollar Gold Pieces
1860 $3 MS63 PCGS. PCGS Population (10/13). NGC Census: (10/7). Mintage: 7,000. Numismedia Wsl. Price: $11,850. (#7980)... Internet Only PCGS MS63 November 28, 2006 $11,212.50
Sold for almost 12K! Remember, the mint melted over 2500 of the 1860 issues! I'll err to the side of conservative and call it an MS64. It is a real beauty

If this coin is an MS65 it is worth a bunch! I had an 1854 in AU50 that I sold a few years ago for about $1600.00. It was the first year of issue but also the highest mintage of the series. This series overall has insanely low mintage's. They are pricey, but not compared to other series with such low mintage's. Mike
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 Posted 07/13/2007  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElCerritoCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im with Mike, Id put it at about an MS64 but it could easily be an MS65 too!
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 Posted 07/17/2007  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photo doesn't seem to show much luster. Does this coin have strong cartwheel luster, as would be required for a high MS grade? If so, and if there are no luster interruptions on the high points, I could see this coin as an MS-64.
I know many business-strike $3 pieces have prooflike surfaces. This coin has the look of a cameo proof.
Is it in a slab? If I were looking to buy such an expensive coin I would certainly prefer to have PCGS or NGC back up my grading opinion!
In any case, a beautiful coin.
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 Posted 07/18/2007  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been talking with Michael at length about this coin. I already know the grade (even before he put it up here). You guys will be awfully surprised. The luster is choice+ luster and the coin has original skin.
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 Posted 07/19/2007  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When will we find out the grade?
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That coin has a hammered strike, and it looks almost semi-PL from the pictures. It looks like there may be some tiny amounts of wear on the high points (or maybe that's just my monitor, I'm not sure). If that's the case, then I'd grade it a choice AU58. Otherwise, it's a sold MS64/65 coin.

Also, there appears to be some "crust" left over in the obverse border lettering. This could indicate an old cleaning or dipping. The area I'm talking about is from the D in UNITED to the O in OF. Look closely at the letters, and you'll see what I mean.

It's a great coin either way.
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 Posted 07/19/2007  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kenny_1745 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64
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 Posted 07/27/2007  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add michael to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sorry I have been a little under the weather

two pieces of advice do not get sick or old

thank god I still got my good looks

coin is a true unc really choice unc reverse and just an ms 632 obverse with a frosty great skin

pcgs graded some years ago au58 here is a coin worth more out of its holder than in its holder and coin has never been rebsubmitted

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 Posted 07/27/2007  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you have a regrade candidate Michael
That is a beautiful $3 and the detail is much sharper than most.
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 Posted 07/27/2007  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
seems I am going with the rest of the crowd with this one and say I see absolutely no reason this one wouldn't grade atleast a 65 at any of the top TPG's
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