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 Posted 02/15/2014  9:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wencurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just wondering about the grade of this. This is how I found it, I haven't cleaned but not sure if anyone ever has. Looks like I can see some marks around the rim of the crown but not sure if this could be normal wear and tear. From a collection from grandparents that I've just decided to pull out of the bottom of the wardrobe and go through after 10 years.

I've taken these pics outside in overcast conditions and tried to get a few angle shots as well. These pics do make it look a little brighter than when I am looking at the coin myself.

All advice gratefully received as I'm surrounded in predecimal coins at the moment lol

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02/15/2014 9:14 pm
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 Posted 02/15/2014  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it has been acid cleaned recently.
Need sharper pictures to determine if fake however,
the general appearance and colour of this one suggests
Chinese fake, less than 10 years old.

Take it to the nearest coin dealer to confirm.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wencurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not possible to be less than ten years old it has lived in the same wardrobe all packed up with the others for over 30 years I just moved in here ten years ago and we haven't had them out of their box in that time. The camera does make it look brighter. I'll get an inside pic and see if it can look a bit more natural.

It may have been cleaned maybe 20 years ago when the original owner was still alive, doubt it would be acid wash. They were elderly dutch people. :-) Plus I live in country Tas so not sure of any coin dealers here but if anyone knows of any, let me know.

Wendy
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02/16/2014 12:49 am
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 Posted 02/16/2014  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your best plan of attack would be to have this graded by PCGS or NGC, this will tell you if it is authentic and give you a definitive grade for it as well.

Contact Eric Eigner and get him to submit it for you.

http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-...e/contact-us

I'm hoping that this is the real deal and not a "Found in a pilots hat" type story
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 Posted 02/16/2014  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wencurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks much appreciated. I'll do that for sure. This collection and I mean I have a lot of penny's wrapped in brown paper, the the grandfather or grandmother would have done that themselves. Mostly in the 40's, 50's and 60's no 46's though lol or 30's. I have florins, some in lovely condition, 2 in particular are 1962 and have a gorgeous lustre, sixpence, threepence, shillings. They all look dull to me but I have no idea how to tell if it's good dull or bad dull lol.

I've known the collection was there but hadn't had the time to look through it. I'm not expecting that there is a lot of value in any of them singly but as a collection perhaps. It is a family house so these have been in here since the house was built 35 years ago for the grandmother and she has had them with her since her husband died just before the house was built. They were notorious for stashing money away but unfortunately I missed out on the cash being found everywhere lol. It will be a nice keepsake for the kids and a value would be good for insurance.

Thanks so much, for the input. Very much appreciated.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wencurt:
Don't give up hope, but don't get too excited just yet. If genuine, this coin would have a value in the low $thousands in this condition.
Unfortunately, most of us know that the '25 penny has been faked on a commercial scale (100's?) by the Chinese. Almost all of the genuine examples show more wear than this one, and have a deep chocolate patination.

The tactic that trout1105 has suggested is a good one.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wencurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, that's fine. I'm not getting excited. I do realise the chances are it's been cleaned along the line or something anyway, and there is always a possibility he picked it up as a fake a long time ago. Better to know than not know. Unfortunately I just picked it up to put away with tomato on my finger and left a big thumbprint on it any way so that has probably killed any chance of value from the acid in the tomato. But it's okay. This will stay in the family, unless it were worth a million, it's more valuable as family heritage with the rest of them to us.

But I will still get what I have valued and documented so that we can insure.

Wendy
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 Posted 02/18/2014  05:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsaus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately I'm heavily leaning towards a fake. Take it to a dealer for confirmation
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 Posted 02/18/2014  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsaus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also just noticed that from the angle view of the coin, it even looks thinner than a normal penny which would mean that it is underweight, typical for Chinese fakes
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 Posted 02/18/2014  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wencurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input. Have the faked coins been around for while? I've sent an email to the link suggested above, and what weight should it be? Very interesting now, a mystery I have to solve lol. I think I'm hooked on coins after spending time with all of these pre-decimals.

I put it up against the 1927 one and they seem the same size and weight. I'll be looking forward to getting news on this for everyone, either way.

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 Posted 02/18/2014  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah they have been since way back nowadays we have to distinguish from contemporary and modern fakes. On weight from the Museum Victoria site it says around 9.460g. I wouldn't be surprised about the same size and weight it is a valuable coin if genuine so the fakers will generally spend a lot of time trying to copy it detail for detail.

I am convinced that the coin it self is a fake and if I had to put money on it a modern fake and the brilliance which is really out of place for this date makes it seem very recent. I'd be betting on it being made in the last 15 years and assuming it was in a wooden wardrobe it would have well and truly toned brown if it were older than 15 years. My opinion tho.
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02/18/2014 07:16 am
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 Posted 02/18/2014  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wencurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oooh it's a bit exciting to find out now. I think the pics are brighter than it actually looks for some reason. Less than 15yrs isn't possible as both the grandparents have been dead for longer than that, and these haven't seen daylight from their tins and brown paper since way before that. But it could totally be an older fake.

Apparently the mother-in-law across the road has a heap more predecimals over at her place, so I'll be taking a sniff through those soon with my new found knowledge and spurned interest. I think I've got a new hobby :-)The great thing is I can make up some nice sets to hand down to my son, and we can have fun filling the missing dates.

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 Posted 02/18/2014  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, good luck with the '25 and remember to always be nice to the 'Mother in Law'.
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Hahahaha oh yes, well hubs is supposed to get the coins when the time comes. I might just put in some groundwork first to be sure. :-P
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 Posted 02/23/2014  03:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

It looks genuine imo but has been horribly cleaned. I couldnt see it being worth much more than $80.
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 Posted 02/23/2014  06:21 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's interesting what you learn on CCF. I knew I had an Australian 1925 penny, but couldn't remember what condition it was in, so I've just taken it out of the album for a look. I got it in 1992 among a group of miscellaneous foreign coins in a junk bin somewhere in England:

1925-Penny

It actually looks better than this in hand - it's a nice chocolate brown colour but I had to lighten the photo so the details would show. My 2001 Krause lists it as US$12.50 in Fine, so I always thought it was a lucky find but nothing exceptional.


By the way, why is the 1925 penny, with a mintage of 1,639,000, so much more valuable than the 1926 penny with a mintage only slightly higher (1,859,000) ?
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02/23/2014 06:22 am
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