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 Posted 02/16/2014  4:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Spud to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This coins just doesn't sit right with me. What do you think
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32132487743....m1431.l2648
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 Posted 02/16/2014  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What doesn't sit right with you about it?
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 Posted 02/16/2014  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my series, but I see nothing out of the ordinary.
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The color of the coin in the untoned areas? That's about all I can come up with. I bought one that turned out to fake. Got my money back but now I'm nervous about purchases.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The color of the coin in the untoned areas?


Natural toning wont be completely even everywhere. Could be some finger oil or something from a long time ago, or may have been cleaned a long time ago and retoning.

Ive actually been to that coin shop before, I wouldnt expect them to be selling fakes but it can happen. Nothing jumps out on that though
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 Posted 02/16/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks ok to me. Just unusually toned.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doesn't look suspicious to me. I did notice what look like tiny rim dings at 1:00 and 7:00 on the reverse, raising the rim slightly and resulting in the shiny areas on the rim from subsequent rub. There is another one at 9:00 on the obverse that the seller carefully cropped out of the close-up photos. If you don't mind those, it looks like a solid AU FH. The lighter areas in the fields could just be the luster getting picked up by the camera through the toning. It comes and goes in the sequence of images.
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02/16/2014 6:17 pm
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I'd have to agree with the other forum members.
Looks pretty good.Hard to tell from the pictures,but it appears to be little to no flatness on the right leg.
I would have to agree with classic coins on the grade.
The head looks pretty nice,but from photo I can't tell if FH.

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 Posted 02/16/2014  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add krockit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin with little wear. Toning can be tricky but I cannot tell if it has been cleaned and retoned.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Charles M. Larson has written an excellent book
'Numismatic Forgery' on how fakes of this quality are made.

The book has been endorsed among others by Ken Bressett, Past President - American Numismatic Association
"This book not only helps further our understanding of forgery, it literally puts us in the shoes and mind of the forger. Charles Larson's book Numismatic Forgery, takes its place in that pantheon of must-read books for every numismatist and collector" ( back cover of book)

From the very good picture presented in this thread, I am unable to comment definitively, if this coin is an excellent fake or not.

Spud: I agree with your 'gut' feeling. That feeling has come about from reading the above book, and the picture seen here.

More investigation of the individual coin 'in hand' would be essential in this case.
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02/16/2014 7:48 pm
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I think sel_69l hit the bottom line: Examining the coin "in hand" will be essential. I love the Standing Liberty quarter series, and I have a dozen or so in my collection. Personally, I prefer for my AU silver coins to have lighter toning. Everyone has different personal preferences when it comes to toning. Good luck, Spud.
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02/16/2014 8:34 pm
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 Posted 02/16/2014  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help everyone!!
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 Posted 02/16/2014  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spud,

I'm guessing you didn't win it. With patience, I think you'll find a copy you'll be happier with for the price.
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With patience, I think you'll find a copy you'll be happier with for the price.

He'd probably be happier if he DOESN'T find a copy. Would probably rather have a real one.
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 Posted 02/20/2014  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope. I let it go. I have a lot of patience. But I have to work at it. Lol
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Some of the very best quality and most deceiving fakes are made in the United States.
@Spud: I recommend that you obtain a copy of Larson's Book:
'Numismatic Forgery', (ISBN 0-9742371-2-4).

They can currently be found on ebay for around $10 or so.
The ISBN number is sufficient to initiate a search.
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02/20/2014 01:03 am
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