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Valued Member
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Hi, Have been going over listed VAMs for the 1881-S for some time now. Can't seem to nail this one down; was wondering if based on this unique looking date (I find the 8's to be very unique looking) and perhaps the mint mark someone might see something that can help point me in the right direction -- I would be really appreciative. If there are more photos of anything specific that would assist further, I'd be more than happy to post them. I apologize about the size/quality of the photos, but they have to be greatly reduced to be able to post them here; as most know. Thanks for any and all input. Cheers.     |
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 United States
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1881-S is tough - the differences between many VAMs are quite subtle and not much detail is listed. Let me see what I can come up with.
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Much appreciated SsuperDdave. Very much so. Thank you.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I agree with Superdave.. those 1881S can be tough - I know first hand! I'll pull out my few and try to see if I can be of any assistance
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I'll confirm 1881 S is a tough date to attribute. A quick look at VAMworld shows there is one obverse die that lists all 4 date digits doubled(at least I think that's what I'm seeing on yours) with no plate photos of the date. My wag on your coin however, is the date doubling is mechanical, not in the die prep. Hopefully someone with access to the SSDC site will see if the VAM19 date appears as your coin if the doubling is not mechanical.
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United States
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Thanks all. I'm still digging/searching myself. As for it being Machine Doubling, I'm not ruling anything out at this point. It doesn't appear, to me, as MD in-hand; but again, with this one, I'm ruling nothing out. I have seen the four listed on VAMWorld without photos (that resulted in face palming, a lot lol). The first 8 with what appears to be those chips between the outsides of the loops on the left and right is very unique IMHO. I think I'm starting to develop a bald spot on my head from all the head-scratching this one is creating? lol Thanks again to all of you lending a hand here. It is very much appreciated. |
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That's the trouble - the presence or absence of those chips is not confirmational either way. They're possible on any die, and could be a currently-unknown die state of an existing VAM. This is  territory, for sure.  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Have a look at the lower plate photos of the date for VAM15. It appears to have the same appearance as your coin and is labeled as "ejection damage". (Therefore, not a die marker) http://www.vamworld.com/1881-S+VAM-15 |
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If you can get any better pictures of the date digits, one at a time, that would really help.
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Rest in Peace
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I was going to mention that the doubling is ejection "doubling." I've seen it on several dates and it is caused when the planchet (or coin at this point) "pulls" off the die(s) leaving this flow of metal.
Could you zoom out on the date a little to see the date position in reference to the bust point?
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Does this help on the date/bust request?  |
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Perfect. Looks to be a normal date, and it's hard to tell with the angle/position of the camera in the MM photo, but it seems to be straight and centered (normal). Does the MM show and tilt or doubling that I am not seeing in the photo?
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It appears straight in-hand, yes.
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OCD kicked in last night... I think I'm sold on this being the 15. In fact, very confident that it is. The die chips in the 8 just being an added bonus.
I want to thank all of you who replied. I think the fact that you all did, and so quickly, and with such knowledge is what sets this forum apart (and above) from all the rest.
Again, much appreciated.
Cheers.
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