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1909 S VDB Double Struck

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/151236948959

"I've never had it examined by an authorized coin grader like PCGS or NGC" - Yeah, I wonder why...
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 Posted 02/21/2014  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... Don't see the issue here?
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Thats a big risk, looks like other coin detail showing by vdb if you look close... check out the sellers other items an Antique Blacksmith's Blowtorch with assorted tools..
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Found it in an old $100. bag of pennies about 10 years ago.
Hmmm....

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I've never had it examined by an authorized coin grader like PCGS or NGC.
Uhhh....why, since you obviously know they exist?

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There's no guarantees with this coin
Oh ok...that's enough for me.
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 Posted 02/21/2014  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless you have a reverse and obverse die kicking around and a hydraulic press it would be pretty tough to fake.
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 Posted 02/21/2014  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake dies and counterfeits do exist...so why not a fake error? It could be one way to divert scrutiny from the actual details.
Thing is...this would be a first-class error for a big auction house like Heritage. Imagine the bidding it would generate--certified of course.
My doubts mean little, but I'm going to be skeptical until a LWC error expert declares it's genuine.
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 Posted 02/21/2014  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gotboostedvr6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one is gonna sell for big bucks
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I'm going to be skeptical until a LWC error expert declares it's genuine.
...me too
But if its fake its a pretty good one.
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It looks real to me but would not buy it or recommend buying it. I'm just finding it hard to believe after 105 years not one person and I mean "Not ONE Person" had enough foresight to have it authenticated & graded. I'd probably bid 10 or 15 bucks just as a novelty. There's a lot of people out there with deep pockets & big dreams. Let em dream
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Does the "B" in VDB look suspect? Kinda hard to see, but middle bar looks a bit horizontal. I also checked sellers recent sales and he just sold an S VDB. I checked the listing, and again, the photo is a little blurry, but the "B" also looks a little suspect. No accusation here, just food for thought.
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The "error" is real the coin is fake. The mint mark looks wrong to me.
http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfei...incoln-Cents
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DrDon--yeah, I wasn't completely sold on the shape of those "S" marks.
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The S marks do appear slightly different, but also blurry on the second strike. One 9 appears to point more downward than the other in 09. hmmm...
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Wow...I'm not knowledgeable enough to give a positive judgement....however its pretty convincing. I tried looking for any type of chip....scratch...etc..and don't really see it....there are differences but the planchet was hit once with tremendous force on the first strike...so the planchet was changed...then part of it was struck again...of course there are differences. I do not collect coins like this...but if I did I would want it slabbed by PCGS cause I don't know enough.
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I still can't get over the people that will throw $ at this. Even if it is real, I still wouuldn't take the risk!!
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Up to thirty bids and $455 on this fake so far, and it IS a fake.
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