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I have seen some older NGC slabs with 'Nussbaum Collection' as the pedigree but have been unsuccessful in finding any details about it online. Can someone provide the details or a link to the backstory? Curious minds want to know!
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More than likely it's Dr. Hans Nussbaum, a German immigrant that attended the Berlin university in the 1930's before immigrating to the United States. He was listed on the ANS membership, he collected medals, wrote about Colonial money, and also published a book titled "The history of the dollar" there doesn't seem to be much info on the web on him really, at least anything that relates to numismatics or his collection. NGC search comes up empty. Heritage has sold a few coins all large cents and none really pricey. He is mentioned in several Kolbe Fanning book auctions, and on some German medallion collectors sites. But beyond that I'm coming up blank, I'm not even 100% sure it's the same Nussbaum!  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2� variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I will bring all the facts in a correct order: I dont know exactly, but I think the "nussbaum collection" from the slabs means the "Harold J. Nussbaum Collection". Author of "The seventh coin type of Herod Archelaus"(1971) I think he passed away in 2001. Dr. Phil. Hans Nussbaum:Born 1902 in Frankfurt-Germany. His grandfather was the famous coindealer Leo Hamburger He also worked in his grandfathers company. Promoted 1924, Name of dissertation:"Fürstenporträte auf italienischen Münzen des Quattrocento" Emigration into Switzerland in 1933, foundation of his own coin dealing company in zurich. One of his sales catalogues: "Vente nomisa: Spezialsammlung von Münzen der südlichen Niederlande und von historischen niederländischen Medaillen, sowie solchen des Hauses Habsburg : numismatische Bibliothek : Versteigerung I'm�Auftrage des Besitzers am 26. Februar 1934 und folgende Tage bei Hans Nussbaum" Died on a plane crash january 7th 1939. Obituary by Phillip Lederer published in: Schweizerische numismatische Rundschau/Revue suisse de numismatique/Rivista svizzera di numismatica/Vol.27; 1939 Lederer also catalogued the nussbaum collection. The Hans Nussbaum collection (2000 coins) was selled to Mr. Edward Gans (1887-1991) by his father, David Nussbaum. Gans a numismatist and coin-dealer integrated the coins into his own collection or also sells them. Hans Nussbaum had as far as I know, nothing to do with american coins. ARTHUR NUSSBAUM (NUßBAUM)Born 1877, died 1964. The author of "A History of the Dollar" (New York: Columbia University Press, 1964)emigrated from Berlin to the United states in 1933. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nussbaumgreets Edited by platinrubel
02/28/2014 06:47 am
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Hmmm cool,seems likke youhave no interest in answers!
I like sharing information at all. But in my oppinion, it is not too much, even to comment on it, if someone did spent a few minutes for helping me.
Even when I am online the next days. Just saw that you never do this... even no thanks or so... my mistake, will not happen again. Maybe some one can delete my posts from this topic? I don´t like helping such freeloaders
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02/28/2014 11:58 pm
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Even when I am online the next days. Just saw that you never do this... even no thanks or so... my mistake, will not happen again. Maybe some one can delete my posts from this topic? I don´t like helping such freeloaders
I sincerely hope it doesn't happen again. In fact, if this is to be your attitude - demanding praise for your contributions - then you're best served by not posting at this forum any more. That way you can be sure it doesn't happen again. Perhaps the original poster forgot he'd created this thread. Perhaps you don't care that more than 300 people beside that poster have read your words and learned from them. Doesn't bother me either way. The attitude you display is not welcome here regardless. |
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Oh sorry - it was a hard night-shift for me and it would have been better first going to sleep than writing.
but I was a bit annoyed at this. Don´t know this from our german/austrian forums. I dont damand any "praise", it is only the minimum of common courtesy.
but lets go back to topic, now.
greetings
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it is only the minimum of common courtesy. I quite agree, and have no right to take someone to task for having reacted poorly to a bad night at work. Wouldn't be a first for me, either, as a night-shifter myself. Let us chalk this up to experience. At your request, I'll be happy to redact these off-topic posts as irrelevant and not representative of the members involved; otherwise, I'll leave them in place as an example of how two people work through a difference of opinion. |
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It appears that there could be a few possible candidates for which the Nussbaum reference could pertain. It is really too bad that NGC couldn't be more specific with their pedigree notation on their older slabs particularly if the collection isn't as well known as for example Newman or Green or Reiver or Eliasberg. The least the TPGs could do would be to have a web page with short backgrounds on the pedigrees they will slab. Thanks for the info.
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Platinrubel, I certainly didn't meant to ignore you either, I tried to answer best I could, I think you have provided a lot more information than I was able to. I have not been on much the past few days due to a busy work schedule also.
EFLargeCents - I agree with NGC not being more open with their labeling of their own slabs. One would think it would be a simple thing to find on their website.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2� variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
03/03/2014 10:14 am
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@ westcoin: my harsh answer was not adressed to you. ;-)
@EFLargeCents: I want to say sorry for my hard words against you. please forgive me.
as I wrote: I have had a hard nightshift, after that I have drunk a bit and checked my emails and the forums.
normally I never act and write like I did it that time. I hope you can accept my apology. Believe me, I regret my words.
back to topic: I think it is really meant the "Harold J. Nussbaum Collection". There are coiins slabbed, dated after the death of the other two Nussbaums, I discribed.
greets
thomas
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03/03/2014 2:29 pm
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Well, after all that, thanks for sharing your knowledge with the community. Best Regards,  George |
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@ westcoin: my harsh answer was not adressed to you. ;-) I knew that! Just wanted to make sure you knew some of us appreciated you answers to the puzzle. I also get the hard days' night reference as well, I work weird hours, my hobbies (collecting and researching coins and doing astrophotography) have weird long hours too. Thanks for the information, you were able to dig up I found it interesting, I had no idea that Hans was the grandson of a prominent dealer. What little info I was able to find (and I wasn't even sure I had the right guy) was mostly in German and I wasn't going to use Google translate to go over the dozens of pages the search results brought up. I put in an email to NGC about this provenance of the Nussbaum reference and will post what answer I receive from them.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2� variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Platinrubel, Yes apology accepted, I think the best of us have bad days. No hard feelings!
I can sometimes check posts on my phone but not always respond and I have been out of town. You certainly shed more light on the Nussbaum possibilities then I was able to find online and that is much appreciated!
Westcoin, keep us all posted on what NGC says!
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hey guys, thank you very much!
i am also very interested in NGC´s answer.
of course, for me it´s easy to read all the german texts ;-)and to get the german-language information.
greets from austria
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Received an answer from NGC, not real helpful to say the least, I've edited their response to change my last name to "Westcoin" in their response below, to preserve my identity on the public forum. NGC's response: Quote:
Dear Mr. Westcoin,
Thank you for your email. The customer requested that as a pedigree. It's most likely the submitters last name. If you were to request an pedigree it would read "Westcoin Collection".
Please feel free to email or call us should you have any further questions.
Thank you,
Lisa
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2� variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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So NGC let's you put something on the slab if you request it? I didn't realize that. PCGS appears to have certain restrictions on pedigree usually involving their registry top 5 and holding a spot for a number of years. Is paying to have your name on the slab the norm for the industry otherwise?
Thanks for the update westcoin!
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