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G day, This is the last of the Two Dollar find's. There is Definitive Doubling on "Elizabeth" But there is also an Inner Rim.  Is this part of the Double Striking.  Any Thought's? jpl..     |
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Hi Jpl, nice doubling! The inner rim to me is the same as on the $1 coins for this period. The thread below discussed it recently. I've been working on the wet 1c 2c theory for a while now and have a heap of examples of the rings in various sizes (which suggests to me coins rather than machines). I'm yet to prove my theory by actually doing it to some coins that don't have rings, but will get there eventually. https://goccf.com/t/167033 |
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The thread below discussed it recently Hi Uni, I am aware of the "Pencil" Post Topic.  But I am trying to capture the Inner Rim.(no luck yet) It actually has a "Lip" going inwards/down and up the rim. Like ( u---u ), Shape if you think of a coin. If I'm making any sense. I don't think that this is a 1984 & 1985 $1 Pencil Date.  jpl.. Edited by jpl
02/26/2014 10:35 pm
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2008, 5 cent have the same looking inner double rim if I remember correctly,any body got a picture of one of those for comparison ?
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Formerly nancyc
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Here are a couple I have: 5c 2008 Rev Inner Ring C1  5c 2008 Rev Inner Ring C2  I believe it might also occur on other 2008 denom, not sure though. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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2008 20 cent also show similar doubling on some of the rim,the other parts have raised areas of what appears to be excess metal.   |
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I can see the rims on both Nevol's and Accumulator's coins. But I might have to go Devil's advocate on the $2 now. Is that text doubling? I thought it was initially, or is it a squash line around the top of the legend? Looking at the legend now, the top of the doubling looks wider than the letter below it, which may suggest it is the top of the letter that's been squashed down. Should doubling in this instance be present on the middle and bottom arms of the E, perhaps on the slopes of the A and perhaps on the crossbar of the H? Is it a coin roller ring?  I'm all confused with this one now Jpl.  Can you blow just the ELIZA up more? Maybe I just need some sleep ..... |
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Hi AA & Unicorn.  Quote:
appears to be excess metal Yes there does seem to have some extra metal like your 20ct. Quote:
Can you blow just the ELIZA up more? The top of Elizabeth is Doubling with extra metal In part's. I am going back Old School & will try a new set if Pic's! today, after sleep  Se ya then!! jpl.. PS, Will try "Natural" Lighting with the Goldie's! Edited by jpl
02/27/2014 10:26 am
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Good Morning there, Well I went back Old School to the Window Bay to try Diffused Natural Day Light ( Than Incandescent ) on this Goldie. Using a White Back ground instead of the usual Black. In the Picture's with the Coloured Arrow's are my Map Key's, and are Following are. 1, Green= The "Elizabeth" Doubling with "Extra Metal"? 2, Red= The "Incused" Partial Inner Rim & a Gap Between? 3, Blue= The part of the Rim where it Start's to Flatten to Normal, But with some "Extra Metal" Splatter & Darkening like the start of the "Pencil Effect"? PS, I hope these new Picture's help out  PPS, Wondering of your Explanation's/Theory's. Cheer's jpl..       |
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Im Scratching my Head Bald after trying to nail this one down to something else & the Doubling!  Anyone have any more Theory's that will help shed some new light to go along with the new "Picture's" jpl.. PS, I wish it was a 5ct Mule.  Edited by jpl
02/28/2014 1:53 pm
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I think it's a worn die. The corners have simply worn off. Note that the fields around the legends have a slightly raised appearance, almost like the legends are on raised island. This is a typical sign of a worn die.
The doubling is probably just a bit of MDD thrown in for good measure. Great pictures btw.
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bit of MDD Thank's Markn, A worn Die cool! What is MDD Abbreviated for? Cheer's jpl.. |
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Machine die doubling or machine die damage. Like most things in numismatics definitions are up for debate. I guess some MDD on a worn die is to be expected, tolerances have opened up and things will be slapping about in there when the coins are struck.
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Just read this thread, good topic, great pics and a number of insightful suggestions. Congrats.!! |
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