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Fake 1894 IHC?

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Came across this on the 'bay today; the first thing that came to mind was that this coin is fake. The color is off, and the details don't look right at all. If you compare the date to a normal '94 you will see what I mean. Look very closely at the 4, there should be a fairly long line at the bottom, but on this coin it is extremely short.
If I'm not mistaken, this would be alright if it was marked as a copy, but it is certainly not right to sell it as genuine.

Here are two links; the first is of a genuine Indian Head cent, and the last is the bad auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1894-Indian...em20e00ddb64

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1894-Indian...em2c7d3ce677

Does anyone else think this is a blatant fake?

If so, one of us should report it and save all those unsuspecting bidders.
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I don't know enought about Indian Head cents to make any determination. The smooth surface of the "fake" seems odd...not a mark on it?

Maybe someone else with more experience will chime in.

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With the tilted picture of the, "suspected fake" this is hard to determine. Looks like a nice IHC. IMHO
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FAKE and reported. The date is way off.
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Yeah, looks funny to me too.
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Yeah, I would also have to say fake.
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I saw this one and put it in the back of my mind--glad someone else reported it!
Sometimes photography can play tricks, but in this case...there's no way it can be real.
Just for future reference, I've posted a side-by-side with a certified coin.
The date is better than some, but the "1" and "4" give away this fake. Then there's the legends and that wire rim.
This one may be good enough to fool the casual collector, but not the die-hard IHC specialists here.

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Not trying to stir any pot here. But how can a good comparison be made with the angle of the camera a skew? Just looking for a little knowledge.
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The slight angle on the seller's picture wouldn't make those digits thinner. If anything, they would look slightly fatter.
I could have digitally adjusted the picture, but I didn't think it was critical for evaluation.
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The thing I still don't get is why someone would make a fake of this year? With a mintage of over 16 million, it is not by a long shot considered one of the rare "key" dates of the series.

I could see finding a fake 1877 cent, but 1894?

I've often seen coins, such as 1909-S VDB Lincoln cents, that are clearly marked as a copy and only meant to be a souvenir or album hole filler. This one, however, is meant to deceive people out of their hard earned cash.
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The slight angle on the seller's picture wouldn't make those digits thinner. If anything, they would look slightly fatter.
I could have digitally adjusted the picture, but I didn't think it was critical for evaluation.


Ok good enough.
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The thing I still don't get is why someone would make a fake of this year?
Perhaps because it would get far less scrutiny than say, an 1877 or 1909-S? Even if they could get just $20 for a 'nice grade' fake, that may easily be worth their time.
But not this one--eBay pulled this auction.
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Looks like a coin from the same counterfeiter as the one I bought and sent back. I can probably find them on Aliexpress if I looked hard enough...
https://goccf.com/t/152463
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Here's another coin, an '1883' by the same seller--what do you see? (I've dropped in how a real date looks)

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There is so much about this seller I don't like. I'll leave it at that.
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I do't know about his world coins he is selling, but all of his indian heads, the FE and the 1824 large cent are all fakes.
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