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Advice On Taking Pictures Of Lustrous Coins.

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 Posted 02/27/2014  4:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add brenpickle to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Right now I am shooting with a Nikon D3200 and Kit lens (18-55mm F3.5-5.6. I also have a Tamron 70-200mm F2.8, but seeing as the focal distance is farther on it, I figured the kit lens would be better. I read you should shoot at f8, so that is where I started at, and I am shooting at iso 100. The shutter speed varies depending on positioning of lights, but I have two incandescent lamps positioned at around 11 o'clock and 2 o'clock being diffused with plain copy paper taped to them. Any tips, I know a macro lens would help a lot. How effect are closeup filters?

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Thanks for any and all feedback. I am so excited to have a dslr. I can't wait to get a macro lens. It was tough choosing between getting a macro lens and the 70-200, but the 70-200 is more versatile.
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 Posted 02/28/2014  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are a good start. Bring your lights up a little higher and the shots will improve.
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That's not bad at all for your first experimentation; kinda proves the inherent worth of a big, accurate sensor, eh?

You're running into the dichotomy between successfully depicting luster, and getting detail that isn't washed out. It's as much a subjective thing as an objective one because there's no "universal truth" about what a good-looking coin image is. As you apply varying levels of diffusion to the lighting, detail will improve at the cost of apparent luster, but it's subject to the experience of the viewer of the image as well. I can imply luster on a diffused image pretty easily, but that's because I've looked at thousands upon thousands of coin images and shot a bazillion of my own. Frankly, I'm leaning towards using diffusion on all imagery of lustrous coins save high-magnification details, where I used to be a big fan of direct lighting.

For best evaluation of your images, crop to just the coin itself so you can show it as large as possible here. If that size exceeds about 1000-ish pixels in diameter - a good thing - reduce to that size limit out of respect to monitor size and bandwidth. That's plenty large enough to form objective opinions of your technique and results.

The range between f/5.6 - f/8 is in the vast majority of cases the best compromise between lens sharpness and depth of field. Only the very most expensive of lenses are equally sharp at wider apertures (lower numerically) as stopped down a bit, and at narrower apertures one runs into the diffraction limit and you lose sharpness there. As a simplification, I advise to leave the aperture at f/8 and worry about other stuff.

Quality closeup filters work. Extension tubes also work, more cheaply. The compromise between those and the bellows arrangements we're so high on around here is variability - you're stuck to a specific magnification with an addon lens or tube, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. It's a point that needs to be emphasized - we push bellows setups because of their wider range of capability, not because of any inherent optical advantage.
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I've used the Macro Filters, but obviously the more glass used the more distortion there is. The images aren't bad, however.

Using macro extension tubes works similar to the filters w/o adding glass. It's better than using the filters, but your lens will still be fairly close to the coin.

The trick to getting good photos is getting the lens further away from the coin so the lighting can come in at a higher angle. I'm using a 90mm fixed with a 1:1 focal length- this seems about a perfect lens that can be readily purchased.

It seems the professionals use bellows with a lens. I'm sure there's an advantage to that setup, but I'm happy with my 90mm 1:1 Tamron.
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Thanks for the advice. Just out of curiousity I tried my 70-200mm f2.8 to see how it worked. I did have to be a lot farther from the coin, which I think did help with light angle. I still shoot at f8 and used the same extremly cheep tripod, this one http://www.amazon.com/Targus-8-Sect...p/B001AK04VY so it wasn't the most stable, and that is why the focus is off. I think I had the focus right, these might be better then the other ones because they are not as washed out I don't think.

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I also did a 1-1 crop this time to get more of the coin. Changed photo to better ones. Them being out of focus really bad, really bothered me. I know they are still a bit off.

Also. cropping the first set of pics, I think makes them look a lot better

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I don't think the tripod would affect the shot any as long as you're delaying or remoting the shutter; heck, mine only cost $20 and it serves well. Does that lens provide Focus Confirmation with the D3200?

If you haven't, set the camera for AF-S Focus Mode (best for still subjects) and Single Point Autofocus with the center AF point selected. You may be being defeated by the slab for autofocus, and those choices are most likely to make the camera focus on the coin and not the slab.
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My experience with |Tripods is different to SuperDaves. the problem with tripods can be external sources of vibration which the tripod ( especially if its a cheap one will magnify) the sources of vibration I am talking about a things like a truck driving past the house or some one walking past the tripod when the photo is being taken. If you are in a two story house using a Tripod upstairs is going to make the problem worse. If you are going to stay with a tripod there are some things you can do to assist. 1: if your tripod allows it mount your camera under the apex( usually cameras mount on top of the apex) this changes the center of gravity and makes the set up more stable. failing that; 2: Fill a 2 liter plastic bottle with water seal it well and then suspend it between the legs of the tripod. It gives needed extra weight and acts as a shock-absorber.
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All true, austrokiwi. I'm lucky enough to live alone, and my dwelling's on a concrete slab, so those aren't among my worries. Brenpickle may not be so lucky.
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One more tidbit...I assume you're using Live View to take the shots, correct? If you're doing TTL, you will suffer from "MirrorSlap" that will cause vibration and fuzziness in the shot. When you use Live View, the mirror is up for the shot, and only slaps down (and back up) between shots. You will still suffer from "ShutterShake" but SS is much less objectionable than MS.
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Very true Austrokiwi, as an astrophotographer, I have learned the limitations of cheap tripods, since my exposures are counted in minutes or tens of minutes (hours with in the film days) and everything is just a pinpoint point of light, any movement will show up quickly and ruin the shot.

There is a huge difference between a heavy duty bogey/manfroto and a high end Gitzo carbon fibre tripod as well, I've learned. you idea of weighting the center column is something I've done for years, I keep a couple of plastic grocery bags at the bottom of my camera bag, I can fill them with rocks when out in windy days shooting landscape stuff, works great weighs nothing, I also have used my camera bag (heavy) with the strap wrapped around the center column. One point that can be lost on beginners is only put out the thicker legs, leaving the thinner ones for last, then only if absolutely needed raise the center column. I'm a touch over 6 feet tall, so I use the tripods with L or long designations, and most I have use four section legs, with my last section by the feet rarely if ever pulled out to aid in stability.

On long exposures if you are really concerned use a timer with mirror lock up as well! One can never have enough stability in life or in shooting photographs!
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Good advice. I live in the three store building on the second floor, so vibration all around. I had not been shooting in live view, but will try that on my next attempts. Also, I had never considered weighting the middle down. I might try that, but seeing how cheep the tripod I have is, it would probably break it. I am just now really getting into photography, and need to get a lot of things.
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