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Can Anyone Spot The Problem?

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 Posted 03/07/2014  10:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is an auction I interrupted today because of an error. I did this on my own initiative and not as a result of an ebay report so I can discuss it.

Little test - What was wrong?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-World-Co...231173513469
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 Posted 03/07/2014  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Easy, 5 0f the coins are not a details grade
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 Posted 03/07/2014  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is within the rules, coin grading by a TPG is accepted as is. No question for that.
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 Posted 03/07/2014  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I really don't like the looks of that 1837 Cap& Rays 8R. The lettering and, particularly, the date look wrong to me. Also, It just seems odd that there are some common coins in lower grades in slabs. Are the slabs authentic? I'm a bit stumped.
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 Posted 03/07/2014  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost all have consecutive numbers is that even possible? given the different types? fun puzzle ;)

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tokenmast- Good eye! But I'm not sure if that would necessarily indicate fake slabs. Although, as I said above, something does bother me about them. After all, so many of these coins are not that valuable or rare or worth getting slabbed.
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 Posted 03/08/2014  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Archraz You get a gold star.

That is the coin that is problematic in the group.

The NGC verification checks out so the slab is NOT a fake.

BUT THE COIN IS!

Did everyone notice that the final G in the assyer statement is actually the Guanajuato mint mark?

How about the fact that in 1837 Durango did not issue a coin with a Mexican Eagle? All 1837 8Rs use the French Eagle with the spread wings.

Here is the coin as it appears in the auction.


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 Posted 03/08/2014  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And the other side:

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 Posted 03/08/2014  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally a genuine coin - in this case they got it right:

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Very nice swamperbob !

Are those dent looking depressions collapsed mold bubbles? (on first one)

like the surface copied OK then caved in ?
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Tokenmast I presume that they are just from post strike damage. I own a higher grade version that is struck.

NGC has another one to answer for. Pretty darned hard to miss this one since the eagle was VERY wrong.

Someone wondered about the numbers. NGC numbers each order and the three digit number is the number of the coin in that submission. So in this group there were 10 submitted at one time.

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NGC quality control is looking pretty bad right about now. I hope they do something before they end up falling below even ANACS and ICG.
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The listing is back, minus the 1837.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-World-Coi...em35d325ff42

The seller's other stuff looks pretty good - a TAG watch, a Tiffany floral fork.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 03/08/2014  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is as I would expect since the other 9 are genuine.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes
Did try to obtain the missing coin

already gone
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