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Haiti - Fantasy Counterstamp On Mexican 8 Reales

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Another counterstamp forgery hitting ebay, this time out of Hungary:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/33115062851...RK:MEBIDX:IT

I have to admit that I like the creativity of the design of this modern fantasy. On the other side, I am shocked that there are already several fools going for it...

But since the sale is not private, I may have a chance asking the winner just what made him believe in this!
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 Posted 03/14/2014  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carlos J to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A few of these countermarked 8 reales have been sold in the past few years. I wonder if one of the dies of the Belleville mint that produced contemporary counterfeits of Haitian coins ca. 1830 has survived...
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Carlos & Ralph - even the host coin is counterfeit - actually even worse - MODERN!

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 Posted 03/14/2014  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is actually two specimens from the same counterfeiting HOUSE with this seller.

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A question: is the underlying coin genuine and just the counterstamp a forgery, or is the whole thing a fake?

Doing a bit of research, I saw that another very similar piece sold on ebay this past December for $875, this one out of Romania:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/32126370612..._1118wt_1186
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03/14/2014 4:38 pm
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The fabric on this host coin to me is MODERN 20thC - yes all is FAKE and I don't even know Haiti coins ... don't ask ... <VVBG>.

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colonialjohn - I see you had actually answered my question just before I posted it. Did you look at the other auction I referenced? I presume the coin there is of the same ilk. Big money being put up for these, yet nobody's reporting them as suspect, evidently.
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Each piece has 3 or 4 of the same bidders ... here I think its ignorance in terms of the seller posting these two pieces ... his other stock looks fine and is certified (some). When a counterstamp looks TOO GOOD ... its usually the initial indicator something is wrong - as in this case.
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 Posted 03/17/2014  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dosmundos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I sent a message to the seller, informing him that his coin was bogus. His reply: "Thank you very much for your message"

Also denounced it as a fake to ebay, but as experience has told me, I will never get any reaction from them anyway.

The coin is still up. I guess I will have to see the positive side: whoever turns out to be the biggest sucker bidding on it will hopefully not have enough money left to outbid me once the good stuff comes up...
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This piece and the Brazil one he has are of the same ilk as all those fake exotic stamps that emanated certain Spain sellers a few years back, right? Those pieces included a bunch of desirable and/or impossible Mexican War Of Ind stamps sharing the same physical traits.
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