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The Awkward "Face Value" Moment.

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Hello all,

I often like to show my whole collection to my family (close family) and there has been a question that I have been asked so many times and when ever I have tried to answer I always stumble upon different things to say and have never really given a clear answer.

That question that always gets asked is.....

*Family member looks at gold coin*
"it only says 20 dollars, why would you pay 1.2k for it?"

What are your ways of explaining this?

How do you educate your friends and who ever you are presenting your collection to that your coin is not actually worth the face value?




,Ivan (sorry for the edits, people seem to be getting the wrong idea.)

(wrote this one on mobile, sorry for any mistakes)
Edited by ivan123
03/16/2014 01:27 am
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 Posted 03/15/2014  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why pay $50 for a video game that doesn't even have a face value?

It's a hobby, and money must be spent on it, just like everything else!

It's just like any other collecting hobby. Stamps, cars, antiques. A higher price indicates a greater demand for it. Additionally, gold, silver, platinum coins have much of their value set by metal content.
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03/15/2014 8:55 pm
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Because the coin contains XYX amount of gold which is worth ABC dollars.
When the coin was issued, the price of gold was MUCH less.

Good enough response?

Add more details but use this answer as a central theme.

Edited by matthewvincent
03/15/2014 9:01 pm
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 Posted 03/15/2014  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ivan123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@mattewwvincent

Great answer but what about modern 1oz issues (20 dollar gold Canadian 2013 1oz)
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 Posted 03/15/2014  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ivan123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coinsearch

ahh that's a smart answer, I never thought about using something like that.
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My advice:


QUIT SHOWING OFF YOUR COLLECTION!


Your friends may be completely trustworthy, but one day one of them will say to some stranger: I know this guy that collects coins and he could tell you what yours are worth. He lives over on blah blah blah street. A week later you get robbed and if you're lucky, you're not home.

It may never happen, and of course, I hope it doesn't, but if anything bad happened, you will always wonder if a friend said something to someone who told someone else...
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Explain to them gold is around $1,300/oz. and that your 20 dollar gold Canadian is 1oz. of gold, plus that it has some collector value added too.
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 Posted 03/15/2014  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ivan123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@buddy

I do not show my collection to anyone that is of any risk. I am very cautious about my coins, especially because I spend over 50% of my salary on them.

but anyways thanks for the heads up :p

appreciate it.
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@wheatback

that's a good explanation but I have used it before and I got this reply:

"then why would they put 20$ on it"

and then I got lost, once again :o.
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In the case of a modern issue, say,
"This is essentially a bullion issue. The $20 face value
fulfills the requirement that it be a coin. But no one would spend
it for $20 worth of merchandise. In reality, it is a pretty lump of gold and valued according to the amount of the metal it contains, which is one ounce"
Gold is now trading at QRST $$ per ounce.

Any help?

I was thinking of the coins of 1912-1914. Very pretty.
Hope I got those years right.

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@mattewvincent

Great :)!
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Quit showing off your collection to people that are obviously numismatically uneducated.

Problem solved.
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That can be a hard question to answer. In my case my collection of US Half Cents, cents, and Two Cent Pieces ( over 550 pieces) has a total face value of $5.92.
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Quote:
@buddy

I do not show my collection to anyone that is of any risk. I am very cautious about my coins, especially because I spend over 50% of my salary on them.

but anyways thanks for the heads up :p

appreciate it.


He wasn't accusing your friends of being untrustworthy. But I'm sure you don't know all the people they associate with. Plus I have had great friends (so I thought) then one day bam, they turn into psychos. Not saying this is normal but weird stuff happens, and, well people are untrustworthy. People that would normally be good can do weird things when large sums of money are involved.
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Well Ivan I definitely don't have to explain it to you but since my collection is pretty much only silver/gold coins I say The silver/Gold value is worth that much. Since almost noone knows the silver spot price by heart unless they collect coins (In which case I don't have to explain) I say that I paid $50 for a silver dime saying it's worth that much in silver (I don't like getting into explaining numismatic value as that takes too long).
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 Posted 03/16/2014  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ivan123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@westernsky @LincolnGuy

How about we assume my friends don't become psychopaths..

but once again thanks for looking out @lincolnguy.
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