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Crooked Mint Mark?

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Am I seeing things or does it look crooked? Crooked-Mint-Mark?

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This sort of looks like 1987D rpm14, however you close photos do not show marker areas. Please post close photos of marker areas http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
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Are you referring to pictures 2-4 on your link?
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Yes, you have the coin so look yourself and see if the areas seem to match.
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Thanks. I dont have the coin handy right now so I will look at it tonight. I'm still new at this and I'm not sure what I'm suppose to be looking at in the 3rd and 4th pictures...
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On an uncirculated coin die scratches on the field area can match those shown from upper left to lower right (NW to SE). Those die scratches may still be present in a circulated coin. They are markers for this die that has the re-punched mint mark.
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Definitely not RPM-014. The mint mark does not tilt to the right on that RPM, it is vertical. This just looks like a poorly placed mint mark, that took a hit to the upper serif. Mint marks were added to the dies by hand with a punch until 1990. Sometimes the person adding it would have it tilted one way or the other, and the position under the date will vary as well.
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Looks like it may have taken a hit on the upper corner. Possibly a machine doubled (Ejection push) as it just shows on that area as the rest of the mint mark is straight. They are punched by hand I've seen a couple rotated a little.
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Sorry it took so long but here are some close ups of the marker areas.

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As you can see, the other posters are correct, this is not an rpm14. The markers do not match up. Now you know how to check and see for yourself if you think you might have a rpm.
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Thanks for the help!
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You have to hand it to the people who used to strike the Mint marks by hand onto the dies. They had a punch in one hand, and a hammer in the other. They have a small window of opportunity, and to add, they probably had gloves on. So they try to line this mint mark up, and lose a bit of focus on where there hand is when they swing the hammer to hit the punch and not their hand, and have to account in the amount of strength required to make sure the impression is good. If it wasn't strong enough, then they would have another handicap added that would require them to line that die up on an already mint mark impression and give another hefty whack, in hopes that this time the mint mark is good, and has covered the mild mistake below.

I enjoy looking for copper RPM's and I don't mind filling my safe up with them. Its an interesting way they used to do business at the mint, and John Wexlers' DDO site has some neat photos of the procedure. Now that the mint marks are part of the master die, the chances you will get an old school RPM is low; more than likely it will be considered a DDO.

The last picture of the mint mark above shows me that the "D" might have had a glancing blow or had Post mint damage ( PMD) =\ . The punch may have slipped in the workers hand, resulting in a glancing blow, but just strong enough to get the job done.

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