About To Try My First "Cross-Overs" With PCGS

I agree the 67 buffs will be the hardest. Even in late dates with the exception of the 38 D and to a lesser extent the 37 D the PCGS MS 67 population is pretty low.




Hes trying to have them switched from an NGC holder into PCGS ones at the same grade or higher.

Crossover is basically when you send in a slabbed coin and theyll put it in their holder if they agree its the same grade or higher unless you specify any grade or a lower minimum grade they agree with. If their grade doesn't match what you specified they return the coin the its original holder untouched.

PCGS lets you try with any slabs, while NGC last time I checked will only consider PCGS slabs.

My understanding is theyll consider anything. Their stance is they want the best coins in PCGS holders regardless of where it came from. With that said though theyll be exceptionally hard on basement slabbers since they cant be trusted to have done any due diligence on the authenticity of the coin to begin with where an NGC coin they can assume is real from the start. So theyll be doing work on it through a slab putting you at a huge disadvantage.

Basement slabs I would personally crack out instead of cross. In your case I think you did the right thing trying the crossover considering the value difference of the 66 and 67s there. When its not sitting on the otherside of a big jump like that Ill usually just crack it out and submit raw if its anything besides an NGC slab or old little white ANACS slab. Even NGC slabs Ill sometimes crack out, the little white ANACS slabs have their own fan base though so there is some value if its doesn't cross.

As far as the success rate its a little deceptive. I saw that post too about the guy going 26 for 26, I do think thats possible to do with enough time and effort spent hand picking coins and I think he had a couple big guns helping him out with his decision. But most people wont put that effort into their picks. The "A" coins aka slam dunk CAC ones seem like they generally cross, its just that there arent a lot like that out there. On the flip side the "C" lower end of the grade coins seem to almost never cross at grade.

It seems a good number of cross overs come from the groups where the PCGS coins have a significantly higher value where theyre generally much tighter at those grade levels. I believe a lot of the failures come from that group.

The success rate seems to be a lot better if you give them a grade to lose, eg if youre fine with an vf 35 crossing as a 30. Submitting raw is definitely the best chance at getting the desired grade since they can see the coin in hand with nothing in the way, but there are times where crossovers make more sense from a risk standpoint.

Ill be impressed if both your buffalos cross, you could do well if youre able to distinguish those quality 67s and keep crossing them. From your pic though that gold looks like that one should at least.

How did a dealer know your details to cold-call you ?

Does PCGS provide new customer details to favoured dealers ?

Just an update.

I hope my luck changes as the USPS lost track of my "registered mail" shipment for a week. I sent it 4/10 and it estimated delivery 4/12. When there was no update by 4/16, and no tracking entry since 4/11, I called and opened a case. They said they'd get back to me by 4/19 at the latest. At about 2am 4/19 it finally showed up as being in CAL. Then made it to PCGS on Mon 4/21. IMO they should refund something when it takes 11 days like that - but I guess they only do that if you pay the big bucks of priority express overnight to boot. Otherwise they can take their time.

Has been sitting in their "in process" status ever since. I think they are less attentive to the "freebie" CLUB orders so it may well be days still before I see any movement. They list 15 business days as average but I see a lot of orders that take more than a month to get turned around.

Registered takes a long time, I believe it's usually an average of 10 days. (What I was told at least. Same thing happened with my first experience sending a big value package in, I was out, calling everyday... Sketchy, lol. Then all was good 11 days later, so I really wouldn't be too worried. Registered has to be unlocked then signed for, passed off, signed by the recipient, put back into a lock box, then on it's way.... at each and every stop of the way. It takes much longer than the regular mail just being passed through quick.

And I guess they don't scan it at nearly every stop either..

Ya I know, the two day estimate it lists is ridiculous, and quite frankly completely untrue. It's funny that it lists registered as two days, but everyone you talk to will estimate 10-11 days. At least everyone I've talked to at both the PO and ANACS for my first submission told me ten days was the "expected norm". I don't know what the site says about times or opening a case as it's been a while since I looked, but if you google how long registered mail takes everyone will say around ten days, lol. And I'm pretty sure with registered mail you cannot open a claim until 15 days after sent (15-60 days it used to say)... Or according to the USPS site at least. So I guess that should be take with a grain of salt, lol.





I know bud, lol, your preaching to the choir. It seems like it's totally backwards. When I asked/ told them the exact same thing, if I remember correctly, the scanning it less had to do with security issues, something about how if someone hacked the tracking numbers (or someone told someone) about a high value insured package that they could intercept it somehow. That with registered/insured packages no info of the location is posted throughout transit because they don't want the location of valuable packages available online at all. Or something like that... It was a while ago that this happened to me (well, the first time that I was fought unaware at least) so I don't remember exactly. But it had something to do with security.

When I send packages to the TPG'er it's scanned at the post office I drop it off at, then at my local sort facility, and then nothing until it arrives at whichever TPG I send it to.. Like clockwork. Backwards and nerve racking? Yes... But good news is they've always got there and I've always gotten them back...

Anyways, I hope you get the grades your hoping for! O, and what type of ANACS slabs were the ones you sent in? And if you don't mind me asking, what was your reasons for wanting to cross them over? Are you working on a PCGS register set? Or for resale purposes? Or?

Ya ^^^ that's basically what they told me when I originally asked, and it makes sense. At first I thought the same as you, that they should scan registered at least the same if not more, but like they told me and SsuperDdave said, they don't want that info of locations available online for those who know where/ how to look for it. So it's actually in your benefit that the teachings not updated as often