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First Time Setup Photos (Pic Heavy), Suggestions Please!

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 Posted 03/29/2014  12:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So, living in a small dorm abroad and having no budget to actually spend for this literally forces you to be creative with whatever you have at hand. I can't spend online either, so internet shopping is out.
I read a thread here someone photographing really well with an iPhone so I tried myself. I'm really new to photographing coins myself, I usually just scan them unless I feel that a photo does the job better (which is very rarely), or only when specifically requested.

After a couple of failed shots that look like this:
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Some further tweaking, until it looks like this:
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The dime roll is a weight so the elastic will stretch and bring the flashlight down. Too low: remove dimes, too high: add dimes.
For this shot, the books are used to hold the coins in place. Other times, it's used to raise the coin close to the flashlight.

Here is the first ever photo from that set up:
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In case anyone's wondering what it is, it's a rather strange looking frosted whale quarter sandwiched between normal ones.

It's difficult to photo shiny coins. The reflection of my phone keeps getting in the way.
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I just had this one (it's the strange looking quarter, if anyone's asking) dipped in Xylene. Any suggestions on how to not have reflection?

So I took a not shiny coin and tried and it worked better.
It's actually managed to capture the correct colour in the top half. It got dark in the lower half. It's just because I only have 1 light source.
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Suggestions on how to spread the light better across the coin?

Things always appear darker then what they actually are. And his eye is still there on the coin, my camera won't get it for some reason I don't know. There are also some scratches on his neck that aren't too obvious but visible. Help to get details?
This is the original:
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And after brightness and contrast adjusted on a computer to make it closer to the original. The colour of the raised parts is lighter than this, I just can't get it to that colour without making the photo look washed out:
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I don't know what's that line from the back of the King's neck to the D is, and why it's in the photo, it's not on the coin.
I love how the coin darkens only around the raised parts, and not on the raised parts and parts away from the raised parts. Other side too but it's not that obvious.

Tips on how to get the correct colour please?
Like, this one's silver but the colour looks wrong in the photo.
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Thanks!
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 Posted 03/29/2014  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Any suggestions on how to not have reflection?


I personally use diffusion to dissipate the light source combined with daytime 5000 K CFL bulbs which result in the most true-to-life photos.

K = Kelvin = [°C] + 273.15

5000 Kelvin seems to properly illuminate the necessary whiter imaging of these shinier surfaces no matter how adverse the ambient lighting conditions become.

You can pick up a five-pack of these bulbs at Home Depot or Lowes for $ 5 - $ 7 per each five-pack.

These improvements can be accomplished several ways from studying the examples set forth in the thread below. The examples and discussion begin about 1/3 of the way down on the following URL and continue on until the end of this following CCF thread:

https://goccf.com/t/88598&whichpage=4

Alternatively, just covering your lights with white fabric socks will spread the light sufficiently to adequately reduce a majority of the glare.

Also remember that moving your light source further away from the reflective surface/image does not completely eliminate the shiny spots but it can significantly reduce the diameter of these shiny spots down to a point that they becomes negligible.

Finally, try a dark substrate as a background for these shiny coins in conjunction with the above suggestions and re-post the results.

IMHO,
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 Posted 03/31/2014  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry but what are 5000 Kelvin bulbs? If they need extra installation I doubt very much I could make it. That's about what I have.
And my flashlight just broke. I'll need to improvise somehow. I'll post the results of my improvisation here when I'm done.
I did try a couple if shots with a dark background (I coloured a part of a paper black with colour pencil) and it does have much nicer contrast.
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Slur,

I have attached a jpg of some of the more common light source sightings and their corresponding Kelvin rating:

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In a nutshell a 5000 K bulb is typically a CFL(compact fluorescent lamp)that emits light over the entire visible spectrum being very similar to sunlight. Many folks, including some at CCF, feel that coins photographed with 5000k CFL bulbs produce the closest and most accurate representation of the coin itself.

The following excerpt is an explanation taken straight from Wikipedia at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac...rescent_lamp :

'Compared to general-service incandescent lamps giving the same amount of visible light, CFLs use one-fifth to one-third the electric power, and last eight to fifteen times longer.

A CFL has a higher purchase price than an incandescent lamp, but can save over five times its purchase price in electricity costs over the lamp's lifetime.[2]

Like all fluorescent lamps, CFLs contain toxic mercury which complicates their disposal. In many countries, governments have established recycling schemes for CFLs and glass generally.'

I personally use spiral glass-wound CFL bulbs(see attached photo) that simply screw into the female light socket of a standard light fixture.

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Check your local hardware stores or warehouse super centers like Costco or Wal-mart etc. They are very inexpensive but worth the investment of your time to explore these as an alternative.

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 Posted 03/31/2014  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
camera needs to be on a tripod with remote shutter (if possible) and on MACRO setting.

you are better off with good natural daylight than you are the hanging flashlight, but as previously stated a 5000k spectrum ("daylight" bulb) is the best & cheapest solution
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 Posted 04/06/2014  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I took the coin to a windowsill outside my room (the sun always points the other way in my room) and photographed it there. See the difference:

In room
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The loonie looks like a normal bronze plated loonie.

Near window
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The actual brass-y colour is there!

HD pic (10.3 MB) here: http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2...-d7db14d.png
Uploaded to my DA because it is way too large for here.

I will try again tomorrow. The sun already set here today.

My magnifying glass blurs the rim of the coin. Look at the obverse. I need a better magnifying glass than my dollar store one it seems.
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 Posted 04/07/2014  06:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CherreePicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to utilize natural daylight with a handheld digital camera to photo coins before upgrading my setup. With the right natural lighting you can get some nice pics. You just have to be patient (can't control mother nature) and experiment with the different lighting you get based on the weather, angle of the sun etc. You can have some fun taking pics on overcast days with muted lighting, bright days, etc. Understand the limited budget; been there before too. But your creativity forced by that limited budget will help you learn what others may miss. You may also try diffusing that direct sunlight with tissue paper, etc. to even out the lighting.
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