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LOUPE SHOOTOUT
There have been a number of discussions on this forum and others asking for recommendations on the best loupe to use for coins. Almost universally the Zeiss 3/6/9x and the Eschenbach 5x come up as most recommended. For the last couple years, I've been using enlarging lenses as loupes, so I usually chime in with the recommendation of a Nikon 50mm or 75mm, depending on the magnification needed. This recommendation usually falls on deaf ears, as most folks have no idea what to make of it. So, I decided to make a comparison among a few low to mid power (3-6x, with one 9x) loupes plus some enlarging lenses that can be used as loupes to show why I recommend them.

LIST OF THE CONTENDERS

Zeiss Aplanatic-Achromatic Doublet
This is an expensive (~$125) loupe that seems universally loved by those who own them

Lomo 6x Doublet
This is an inexpensive (I paid $10) loupe with decent performance

Eschenbach 5x Achromat
Another expensive (~$75) loupe with a strong following

Nikon 50mm f/4 EL-Nikkor
An inexpensive (~$25 used) enlarging lens. The aperture of f/4 gives a fairly narrow field of view when used as a loupe

Nikon 50mm f/2.8 EL-Nikkor
Another inexpensive (~$35 used) enlarging lens. The large f/2.8 aperture gives a wide field of view similar to the loupes in this shootout

Nikon 75mm f/4
A low-price (~$50 used) enlarging lens. The f/4 aperture gives a workable field of view due to the longer focal length

PHOTO OF THE CONTENDERS
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SOME NOTES ON MAGNIFICATION
The shorter the focal length of a lens, the higher its ability to magnify an image but also the shorter its working distance. The Magnification Power of a lens of focal length FL is:

M = 250mm/FL +1

This formula assumes the lens is held close to the eye, which is pretty typical of how loupes are used to view coins.

So a 50mm enlarging lens, used as a loupe, has magnification of 250/50 + 1 = 6x. It will magnify like a 6x loupe. Similarly, a 75mm enlarging lens will magnify by 4.3x.

Some magnifiers are specified in Diopters rather than Focal Length or "Power". The Diopter rating of a lens is:

D = 1000mm/FL

So a 50mm enlarging lens is rated at 1000/50 = 20 Diopters. Given the Diopter rating, the Magnification is:

M = D/4 + 1

DETAILS OF THE SHOOTOUT
For the shootout, I used a 1956-D RPM#4 Cent as the test vehicle, centering the images around the Date and Mintmark area. The images were taken with a Canon XS camera using a Canon 18-55mm lens in manual mode. The test lenses were held at their normal working distance from the coin, and the camera height above the coin adjusted such that the view would be similar to what the eye would see in this configuration. Working Distances were:

Nikon 50mm f/4: 37mm
Nikon 50mm f/2.8: 30mm
Nikon 75mm f/4: 50mm
Zeiss 3/6/9x: 70/35/20mm
Eschenbach 5x: 45mm
Lomo 6x: 35mm

IMAGES TAKEN WITH THE LOUPES
Images are of the overall view seen by the lens, plus crops of the mintmark area.

ESCHENBACH 5X
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LOMO 6X
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ZEISS 3/6/9X AT 3X
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ZEISS 3/6/9X AT 6X
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ZEISS 3/6/9X AT 9X
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NIKON 75mm f/4 EL-Nikkor
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NIKON 50mm f/4 EL-Nikkor
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NIKON 50mmmm f/2.8 EL-Nikkor
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COMMENTARY
The images show that the simpler lenses are not as well-corrected as the more complex ones, with less sharp centers as well as less flatness across the field.

The Eschenbach 5X is a singlet lens, and it shows the weakest performance in this group.

The Lomo is a symmetrical doublet, with better correction and flatter performance to the edge.

The Zeiss is two singlets, though it is marketed as an achromat, so likely has more than one lens cemented together to form each singlet. It is a bit less sharp at the center than the Lomo, but is fairly flat to the edge. It is the best performer in the standard loupe category.

The Nikon 75mm f/4 is a 4-element Anastigmat/Anachromat, and is well-corrected for both color and field flatness. This shows up as both good sharpness in the center and edge.

The Nikon 50mm f/4 is another 4-element design, and is similar to the 75mm in sharpness. It has a smaller field of view but is still usable as a 6x loupe.

The Nikon 50mm f/2.8 is a 6-element, highly-corrected Anastigmat/Anachromat. It is the clear winner in this shootout for both center and edge sharpness.

While I did not attempt to photograph the effect of slightly tilting these lenses, you can probably imagine that if the edges of the field are starting to get blurry, any amount of tilt will result in more blurriness and distortion. This is the true test of field flatness and coverage. The enlarging lenses were designed for a wide field on both film and print planes, so can tolerate a lot of tilt before showing any unsharpness or distortion. None of the purpose-made loupes tested here can tolerate any tilt and must be held straight-on to the coin to achieve good sharpness.
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 Posted 04/03/2014  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good information if a person is interested in those. I prefer to just buy an assortment from Walmart of a flea market. Usually for about $1 each. I've got many of those and prefer to spend my money on coins.
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Like Carl, I also buy cheaper loupes. I get mine off ebay for $1-$2 each, with free shipping.

Images taken with iPhone 4s
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Good cameras, iPhones, cheap cameras, I have failed at them all because I just cannot get the lighting right! Once I master that then I MIGHT have a chance at taking good pictures.

EDIT: What are you all using to steady your image taking devices and do you use a remote trigger? Fuzzy closeups are one of my trademark specialties as well.
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Kelly, for those pictures I just placed my iPhone on top of a box, and held the loupe up to the lense.
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@rpmsrpms - nice info - thanks for this.


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Thanks, Earle, good to see you back (book complete I assume?).


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The enlarging lenses were designed for a wide field on both film and print planes, so can tolerate a lot of tilt before showing any unsharpness or distortion. None of the purpose-made loupes tested here can tolerate any tilt and must be held straight-on to the coin to achieve good sharpness.


Interesting observation and it sounds like a good thing to keep in mind.

rmpsrpms, those are amazing photos.
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Very good info, thanks for taking the time to do that.
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Thanks for the return welcome, but still working - just took a small hiatus to visit the family, remember the fun I have here, and use it to spur me on to work harder to get the book done

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Please forgive the question if it is not relevant and obvious to those who might know, but is the lack of focus in the cropped pics from the loupe being used, zooming in on the taken picture, or from minor camera movement when taking the pic?

I admit I just recently learned my camera (nonprofessional... Kodak Easyshare!) actually had a timer to snap the pic 2 seconds after I remove my finger. So now my images are a lot more crisp when I crop/zoom. You would think I would have read the manual years ago!
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Earle42 asked:

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Please forgive the question if it is not relevant and obvious to those who might know, but is the lack of focus in the cropped pics from the loupe being used, zooming in on the taken picture, or from minor camera movement when taking the pic?


Good question, and both relevant and non-obvious!

What you're seeing is actually not a lack of focus, as each shot was critically-focused on the date/MM area. By "critically-focused" I mean that the shot was zoomed-in "live" and manually adjusted for optimum focus. So what you're seeing is lack of sharpness in the image. That lack of sharpness is due to a combination of lens aberrations (chromatic and spherical), camera effects (Bayer demosaicing, camera-induced shake), image effects (jpg conversion), and environmental effects (vibration, etc). Most of these effects are exacerbated by viewing at 100% pixel magnification. What you should look for is the differences between the images to compare the quality of the loupe optics. Since the conditions are the same between the different shots, most of the difference between shots will be due to the loupes themselves.

One thing important to note is I'm using a Canon camera for these shots. Canon cameras from the Rebel XS onward have a special shutter operation mode when Live View is used that eliminates ALL forms of camera-induced shaking, so they give very sharp images when viewed at 100% pixel level.
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Thanks for the clarification and education. Interesting about the tech of the Canon also - amazing really, but we do live in a day of techno miracles.
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Great info I recently bought a harris&co 10x from the LCS and scribed my name on it. Seems the counter loupes have grown wings lately and flew away. Gotta support the lcs!!
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Thanks for the time and effort. Great info.
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Still not sure why I bought one yesterday for since I have a portable microscope that goes to 40x, but got one with an LED and watch spring type headband for like $5 at the tool store. removed the headband and LED from it and it looks like a medicine cup. 15x is enough for me to see dates and mintmarks on crusty dirty pennies without having to get the microscope off its stand to look at things not on slides.
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rmpsrpms - Thank you for a great "shootout" I use the B&L 7x APO Triplet myself most of the time. I have also used a Schneider film loupe in the 5x range that was VERY sharp and quite large as it was for 4x5 film negatives. I have not used camera lenses much as they are a bit unwieldy to carry protected at a coin show, however I have used them at home when I couldn't find my loupe quickly, they can do a fine job - if not better than a small handheld loupe. I'd love to try out the Zeis loupe someday, don't know that I'd pay more than $50.00 for one though, and that is coming from someone who has spent more than 10K on a refractor telescope or two! I do know the Zeis lenses I used with my old Contax 645AF camera and Mamiya 67RB were some of the sharpest lenses I've ever shot with (though the larger format helped over 35mm).
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Great info! Thanks for the time you put into the comparisons. I'm going to have to try out an enlarging lense. The prices are very reasonable.
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