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Why Do Some Coins Have Digits In The Denticles?

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Im really interested to see what Kevin says about the misplaced digits in the denticles (or other parts of the coin for that matter).

Since there are so many dates where these mis-placed digits are present, there must be some kind of explanation behind it. I'm still not convinced that it was a die hardness/softness trial due to the other explanations above.

Wish there were Mint records/procedures available that could shed some light on to this.
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You also see multiple digits in the necklace on Liberty. There are several cases--1882, 1883, 1888, perhaps others too.
Oddly these are also "1" digits, and they are far removed from the date placement. I find it interesting how they straddle the necklace, it almost appears intentional--to me. That MPDs are found in the denticles and Liberty--and not in the fields--could be due to the fields getting polished flat before hardening. We'll never really know how many blunders--or intentional "test marks"--were made on IHC dies.
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Flynn offers that the mostly likely explanation for MPD's is just plain carelessness by inexperienced engravers or apprentices. He uses the IHC as an example. The area available to strike the date on an IHC is 1/8" between the bust and the denticles. A misalignment of the date punch by 1/10" would put the date in the denticles or the bust. He hypothesizes that unskilled engravers could be trained to perform the monotonous task of repetitively punching the date into hundreds of working dies that were produced for each year. Boredom from repeating a manual task can lead to lack of concentration, and mistakes were made.

As evidence, he offers that 95% of all MPD's are directly above and below the normal date position. (I guess one could argue that the '1' in the neck variety would be an argument against this explanation). He also states that between 1880 and 1900, there were many more MPD's in smaller coins than in larger ones. He states that larger coins have a larger work area into which the date can be properly set, thus minimizing MPD's.

He offers that this is not the only explanation, but it the most likely one.
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The area available to strike the date on an IHC is 1/8" between the bust and the denticles. A misalignment of the date punch by 1/10" would put the date in the denticles or the bust.
Except all the IHC MPDs in denticles that I know about are the tops of the digits. If this were simply caused by inexperience/carelessness, one might expect to see more bases of digits emerging from the denticles. On the other hand, if one was trying to test the hardness in the denticle area, it makes far more sense to impress the top of the digits. That way, the upper part of the digit wouldn't be crossing the fields, and possibly be too deep to polish out, thus blundering the die further.

I guess everyone has a theory on these MPDs. I enjoy hearing all the ideas, even if some theories seem a bit more plausible than others--I'll hold off from making up my mind.
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