From your images I would put the Franklin at a minimum of MS64 FBL. I see little enough chatter to feel comfortable with that number and the bell lines are really great.
I cannot give a grade on the large cent but would like to say very nice.
I can see the franklin getting a MS-64 but I am leaning towards no FBL because the lower set doesn't look complete but it is close. G details: cleaned on the large cent.
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