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Valued Member
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Yes!! This is the second DDR I have found but could this be a DDO also? It has quite a bit of thickness in the date and a whole bunch of other stuff going on. Just above the eyelid there is a die chip(?) and under the chin there is something going on in addition to thick letters in Liberty. The coin is pretty dirty and I am having a hard time being certain. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Deborah      |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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You coin has been through circulation for some time. The devices tend to flatten and spread a little. This is noted more on the obverse. So I'm not thinking it is a DDO. But the reverse may be a DDR. I tried to match up markers on coppercoins, but I could get a match. There was one that had the clash at the throat. http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=ldsBut the doubling wasn't as strong. So I didn't see a match there. I would hang onto it for now and see if you can find any obscure die scratches. These are harder to see from images, but I did see a few on your coin. The one that stands out to me is the one near the nose. But it wasn't a match on coppercoins. The clash at the throat is fairly common so it is not real reliable. (Clashes happen, get polished off and in later die states, they seem to not be removed as much as earlier die state dies.) I've going to check a second site to see if I can find a match. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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There is one on CONECA with a die clash at the throat and a die gouge from "R" in TRUST to the rim. I think I'm seeing that on your coin. Could you get a closer image of the "TRU" on TRUST? A larger image with that area with the rim showing might be a big help. It is listed there as 1945-P DDR-014. It mentions a clash at the neck also which I don't see on your coin. Here is the description on their words:
Reverse is LDS
Die gouge over R of TRUST â€" LDS
Die clash at throat and behind neck
That might help nail this one down. The die gouge would be a strong marker if it is in the correct location. Thanks
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Thanks Coop, I looked at several sites but could not find all the same conditions. This is alot of work and I sure am glad you guys are here to help. Here are some more pics and it does have the gouge, clash or crack at the R in TRUST and throat. I'm not sure what a die scratch looks like for sure but did you see the mark on eyelid. Tell me if the scratch shows up on the new pics. I'm getting terms mixed up. Thanks, Deborah    |
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Valued Member
United States
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Here is the entire obverse. Gotta go to work, have a good day. Snowing here, will spring ever arrive? Thanks, Deb  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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OK! It is from the CONECA e-disk:
1945 DDR-014 or 14-R-VI (14th die of this series-Reverse-class 6)
Markers:
Reverse is LDS
Die gouge over R of TRUST â€" LDS
Die clash at throat and behind neck
No mention of a doubled die obverse. The eye may just be circulation damage.
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks so much! The eye is not circulation damage, it is raised like a crack or chip. I'll just hold on to it for awhile and keep hunting. This is quite the educational process! So glad you guys are here to help.
Deb
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Valued Member
United States
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Coop, if this is something (eye lid, DDO) not mentioned, should I send it to someone to have it documented or looked as for future references? Just wondering. Deb |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I wouldn't/ It probably is a contact mark. It will not increase the value. The variety is ID on the coin. Note the area above the eye. There is a bag mark. It looks like a bag mark has affected the area in question. It is in the same angle. The coin contact made that mark.
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Valued Member
United States
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OK, Thanks. Have a great Easter weekend!
Deb
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey coop-just when I thought I was starting to get this down a little better then this comes along-after what I thought I've learned so far the reverse on this I would definitely pass up as a machine double now-looks like a shelf/step to the second image and it's pretty much flat-can you explain why this one is a double die and not MD? Thanks!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On a circulated coin the devices flatten out. It makes the devices enlarge, but evenly in each direction. On this coin the E dot PLURIBUS dot area is showing the DDR. Note the dots, " E", top of the " P", bottom of the " L", the " U"s and the " S" show extra thickness/height. What are you seeing as Machine Doubling? One the ONC CENT in the two images, note the extra secondary lighting making it appear as machine doubled. The secondary lighting is minor, but it does show on the first image to the north and the second image to the south. But it is only a lighting affect. |
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