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Is This An Error Or PMD?

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My guess is that this is a lamination strip that fell off years ago and the area underneath has since toned the same color as the rest of the coin.

The reason I think that is because if it were PMD, a hit that deep would have to have damaged the reverse, which is normal. I'd love to here your opinions on this.

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EDIT: Here's a picture of the reverse, Collector-Corner.
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To me it looks like a struck through error. Note the NE area of the struck through, you see little edges in that area. The area look rounded like a struck though would look like. What it was we, can't tell now? But note how it ends at the SW. It is widening in that area. If this was a lamination issue, it would be more straight. So you have a nice struck though on your coin. The color is even because it happened during the strike. A final confirmation would be to get an accurate weight of you coin. It should be in the 3.11 grams area. It may also be slightly thicker than a normal cent.
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I'd have to say Post mint damage ( PMD). A circulated coin that is close to 95 years will have traveled through many hands, and its extremely difficult to prove it happened at the Mint for most coins. Its always a good thing to post the Obverse and Reverse of coins if at all possible. It may show additional clues as to what may have occurred.

The only potential error it could be is a "struck through" error, but being that its heavily circulated I would imagine the area to be more worn down and have that slippery or polished look.
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 Posted 04/19/2014  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tough call.
At the moment I'm on the "struck through" side.
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I kinda think its a struck through also. Reverse is unaffected.
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What do I know I'm still in learning process but if it was PMD wouldn't the chin/beard area have more damage? That area looks totally fine from what I can see-does this have any bearing? Interesting
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I would save it as a struck through example. Not valuable enough to be graded. But a definite keeper.

If it were PMD then the reverse would be affected. (Which is not the case)
If it were PMD then the area in question would have scratch marks in a direction. (Which is not the case.)
It is similar to this one:
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The big difference is that your has been circulated.

It all depends on what it is struck through as to what areas will be affected.
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And just to be clear I know the missing strip affected the chin but I mean with the strip gone you can still see that chin area pretty clearly-I think
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It is not missing. Something was between the die and planchet. This outline was struck into the coin. It is were a lamination it could have fallen out. But in this case it was struck into the coin (What ever it was) and had fallen out. The weight should be the same as a normal. If it was a lamination, the coin should be lighter.
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Ahh ok, good pointers for future reference too
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Curious,with something between the die and planchet you would still be able to see the chin area like this?
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Depending on what it was. Cardboard/wood/thread/string something with a give will leave areas irregular. Items of steel wire/stamples/die pieces will leave a more definite appearance.
Wire:
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Thread/fiber:
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Even cloth can leave an affected on the struck though:
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On some rolls there can be grease accumulation and stuff can stick to the coins, but not happen during the strike. Here is an example. If this had happened during the strike the imprint would have been on the coin. But it didn't show this:
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1976 Lincoln Cent with obverse lamination that I pulled from circulation:

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I have a Buffalo nickel struck through wood.
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Wow got a pic and how can ya tell it was wood?
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Wow. The 1976 is a nice looking lamination. Most of the time they are a distraction. But a great find!
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