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Where To Start When Collecting Roman Emperor Coins

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Hi CoinWorld,

I am new to numismatics but my Grandfather collects coins and I found it interesting. I am really interested in Roman History and wanted to collect coins with each emperor on it. Since I am new I have no idea where to start of if something is not priced. Is there a forum or something here where I can learn about roman emperors coins?

Thanks for the help!
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to CCF. Give it a few minutes and a pro will be along to help you.
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As in collecting every type of 'thing' your budget will limit you. Unless you have very deep pockets some emperors will be almost impossible to acquire. Some lasted but a few weeks or even a few days. You need decide first what you might be able to afford. The first century emperors (Augustus through Trajan) tend to be the most well known and can command some serious money. Although a nice silver denarius of Trajan can usually be had for under $40. Some of the real 'skunks' (Caligula and Nero) can be several hundred or thousands for a similar condition coin. 'Nice guys' with longer reigns tend to be much cheaper. The third century was a very chaotic period with very many emperors (often more than 4 at the same time !. The coins tend to be less impressive overall but can be acquired often for under $20 ea. excepting those short lived fellows. If you like ancients you really should read up on the times. It can get very complicated and take some time. But by learning the backround first you will enjoy your first purchase all the more. Perhaps a few bronze coins from the time of Constantine would be the best affordable way to start. These can usually be had for modest amounts. The inflation of this period was terrible and the mints were working overtime to keep up with demand. The coins tend to be small and the artistic style may not be the best. But they are plentiful and lower grade bronzes can be had for a few dollars apiece.
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Thanks for the help I will probably start with Constantine then. Do you know of any reliable sites for articles on the time?
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FR summed it up well, so thee really isn't anything else I can add other than what ever period you decide to collect come visit us often. You can learn a lot here. Also check out the sticky section on Books, downloads and websites. There are books on ancient coins you can download along with tons of other information.
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The best way to start is to clean coins. The uncleaned coins are cheap and you wont get many really nice ones, but it will teach you how to spot a fake coin, how to identify (and check identities) and you might pick up a rarer emperor in the process. And the process of identifying teaches you a lot about Rome in general.

Otherwise, start picking up individuals through ebay. You'll not be able to get a lot of the emperors, as they are very rare, but you could get lucky (I have a Zenonis which I got for less than £15). Heres a list of most of the people you can find on coins and how rare they are taken from a survey of 230,000 coins. The list is just a rough guide, some of them are much rarer or far commoner than the list suggests.
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I would only add that buying uncleaned lots can potentially be a disappointment. Unless you have a keen eye for those lots with more possible winners than others you might spend a few dollars apiece and end up with a small pile of 'junk'. Anyone selling these lots usually looks them over and pulls out the ones that may seem like 'winners' leaving those with less appeal. Nice Constantine period bronzes can be found for around $10 or even less if you have the patience. People overpay when they tire of searching and do something "hasty". I have done it and so have we all ! The idea is to keep the mistakes to a minimum. If you check ebay you will find plenty of coins of Constantine and his family (Crispus, Constans, Constantine II, and Constantius II ...... as well as some other 'folks' ie Constantius Gallus and Julian II).
If you check your local Library you should be able to find a book with 'bio's' of Roman Emperors. An easier course would be to simply go to Wikipedia and look up Constantine ! His biography will give you links to all the major characters of the period. It can get a bit confusing especially with so many people running around with names that are all variants of the name Constantius (father of Constantine and a "Generallissimo" emperor himself) ! Constantine the Great was not only to become a future Christian 'saint' but was the eldest son of the Emperor Constantius who himself was deified (by the pagan Senate) upon his own demise so the name was no doubt considered 'illustrious' if not completely confusing for the novice.
You mentioned your grandfathers collection so I assume two things. First you are probably not 'grey' haired and second that you have a family member who "collects" and so should be able to point you to a dealer somewhere in your vicinity. I assume grandpa doesn't simply collect coins he finds in his spare change. Some reputable dealers like to tempt younger people into the field of collecting. If they are smart that is ! Once you become 'hooked' on coins they know they can usually make you a regular and thus relieve you of that extra money that so pains you to have inside your pocket !

Beware ! Collecting ancient coins can become highly addictive with secondary effects like changes in mood and behavior and anti social tendencies like traveling long distances to go to "Shows" and losing yourself for an entire day looking through entire inventories of coins.

Or you might have tons of fun ! It is hard to say ........
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Stick around here and you will learn loads. It is the best and friendliest forum I have found. You will get loads of advice and there is no such thing as a stupid question.

Uncleaned lots seem to have rocketed in price. They are a good place to start and you will learn a lot. Not every coin will turn out good. If I get 5 or 6 out of 50 I think I have done well. There are good and bad lots, you have to get your eye in. If in doubt, ask the forum and they will point you in the right direction.
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Hello and welcome.

A "one from every emperor" collection is a worthy if somewhat difficult collecting goal. As with the "one from every country" goal of collecting modern world coins, it helps if you first work out your definitions: what, exactly, is an "Emperor"? Finding lists of Roman emperors is not hard; Here's the Wikipedia list for starters. But there were at times many different people claiming to be the real emperor, and some of these had enough power and influence to issue some coins. Do you include these guys, or not? Many usurpers were flash-in-the-pan one-day-wonders, deposed almost as soon as they were acclaimed. Others lasted for decades or, like the rulers of the Anglo-Gallic empire, succeeded in seceding from the Empire altogether for a time; because Britain was a part of that breakaway empire, Anglo-Gallic coins are extremely cheap and common in the English-speaking world, so most collectors in Britain and America include them in their list of emperors.

Adding further confusion are the "imperial family" coins, issued in the name of the imperial wives, children, relatives, friends or other anointed successors. Their coins are often cheaper because they weren't "real emperors"; would you want to include them, or not?

There are no "right" or "wrong" ways to form a collection around this theme; you're free to include or exclude whomever you wish. Besides the "late Roman bronze" period of Constantine and his successors and rivals, there are a couple of other periods in Roman history where the coins are fairly cheap and readily available: the "golden age", roughly 90 to 190 AD, when the Empire was largely peaceful and prosperous and emperors mostly lived long and died of natural causes. The artwork on coins of this period is usually much more eye-appealing than on later periods. And the "Crisis" period, roughly 230 to 280 AD, which includes the Anglo-Gallic coinage mentioned above. These coins are often cheap and plentiful, but the artwork is probably the worst you can find in the entire Roman series, sloppy, careless and sometimes downright ugly.

Among the most expensive emperors are the early ones: the "Twelve Caesars", especially any emperor mentioned in the Bible, are all much more expensive than equally rare (or common) emperors who reigned later.
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